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When all these things were worse, 100 years ago, people had more kids than they do today.
We're not trying to do back to how things were 100 years ago so I don't see how that's relevant
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Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate
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Yes this is what I've noticed too. My friend who installs HVAC systems for a living just had his third kid before 30 and they're doing fine. Other friends who are DINK attorneys are watching the biological clock run out and they feel they "can't afford" a kid.
I think your HVAC friend may actually be earning more than your attorneys. Unless you're in a prestigious law firm, they don't make all that much. And HVAC is so high in demand these days that they can raise prices to the moon and still be booked for months in advance.
Also unstated: does the HVAC guy's wife work?
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#513Something has deeply deeply changed in society for a fertility rate to go from 6 to 0.8 in 60 years, the living memory of a single life. Before, society grew with the average working age person only needing to half support an elderly retiree. Now, that same working age person will need to support more than 2 elderly retirees themselves, over 4 times the resources. Has it occurred to people that, maybe, modern fertili…
We’re lucky enough to afford childcare and healthcare, but I can’t imagine how anyone making significantly less can do it. Healthcare costs are ongoing, and obscene. Routine newborn vaccines are around $900 per visit even with partial insurance coverage. Not to mention any unforeseen hospital visits that will force you to hit your deductible in the first two quarters of the year ($10k per child in our case). In most…
>Routine newborn vaccines are around $900 per visit even with partial insurance coverage.
Per ACA, all routine newborn care (including vaccines and routine blood draw) is 100% paid by insurance company. The specifics are all listed in the links below.
https://www.healthcare.gov/preventive-care-children/
https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/preventive-care-benefits...
>Not to mention any unforeseen hospital visits that will force you to hit your deductible in the first two quarters of the year ($10k per child in our case).
This is not true for the US. The maximum out of pocket legal limit for 2022 is $17.4k for a family. If you have a half decent employer, deductibles are far lower (in the $3k to $5k range), and so are out of pocket maximums (in the $5k to $10k range at most).
https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-li...
https://www.healthcare.gov/high-deductible-health-plan/
I would budget at least 2 years of out of pocket maximums to have on hand. In our case, we hit out of pocket maximums of ~$5k and ~$7k during the year of birth, otherwise it costs $150 to $250 for a regular pink eye/ear infection consult and $400 to $500 for a specialist consult. This is in a very high cost of living area.
Re: Korea shatters its own record for world’s lowest fertility rate
#514Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like a hormonal anti-conceptive side effect.
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The problem is that there is not much to “talk” about. Do you have scientific evidence in the form of published papers in scientific journals? That is the baseline here.
If anything, the problem with vaccines and why it has become politicized is that there’s too many people “talking” about it. Talk. Talk. Talk. But zero scientific discourse.
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#515I have just one child. I thought it was kinda sad that they're an only child but I didn't think about that its more than that. They wont have any nieces or nephews, if they have one child with a partner who is an only child my grandchild wont have any uncles, aunts or cousins either. Its a huge contrast to other branches in my family where there are like dozens and dozens of cousins all living close to each other and…
It's more sad than just kinda.
Worry not. Before the family was invented there was a thing called the tribe. Lots of fun there too.
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#516My wife and I are Korean-American, albeit with many ties to our country of origin. Something I've noticed is that many couples that do want a child have a very difficult time conceiving. People are having kids at a later age on average, but even younger couples seem to have a hard time. Various gynecological disorders seem to be very common too - fibroids, endometriosis, adenomyosis, amongst others, all of which affe…
if you're eating a lot of plants, look into phyto-hormones, those might be preventing fertility. There are a few anecdotal stories from the carnivore/keto forums, that fertility came back after cutting out carbs. Edit: Some Artificial hormones are found in plastic, rates go up when it's recycled plastics.
> Some Artificial hormones are found in plastic, rates go up when it's recycled plastics.
I do know that some chemicals, possibly also found in some plastics (soft plastic probably) function a bit like estrogen, potentially reducing male fertility.
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#517Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like a hormonal anti-conceptive side effect.
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Your "crime" is just bringing up vaccines in a context where it's wholly irrelevant, presumably as a low effort way of stirring up more low quality argument about vaccines and related subjects. This follow-up post of yours is supporting evidence that you brought up vaccines for no good reason.
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Most of the past century's gains in quality of life were tightly correlated with rising labor. If the population crashes, then who will do all the specialized work? Another thing to think about is excess capital and investment. With a large population, excess savings become investments into new companies, technologies, etc. Without excess savings there will be no tech industry, improvements in science, infrastructure…
TL;DR: it's more about demand than labor supply. Same result. I don't think it is as binary as you suggest. There will be lower total saving after a delay. There will certainly be less investment more immediately. What will happen is this. If you borrow money to make and sell (say) shoes, and the population is doubling every 35 years (2% growth), then your market doubles in 35 years also. (You need money because your…
>> your market doubles in 35 years also
So does the number of your potential competitors.
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I’m sorry, but if you thought the US fit the criteria you’ve just described, you’re sorely mistaken…
Try to bribe a police officer in the US next time you get pulled over at a traffic stop. Try to bribe the immigration officer at any US airport. My congressman's office didn't even let me give him a small non-cash thank you gift basket when he resolved a very sensitive and urgent administrative matter with my visa.
The right way to bribe them is through campaign contributions or donating to their "charity" foundation. People without election campaigns or foundations are much harder to bribe.