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Comfort is a safety feature as well. You need to be awake and able to focus on the road. Saab had a funny one for this - there were 3 vents in the front of your dashboard, but one always blew cold air no matter what, so that in the winter, you could point it on your face. Heat cranked and no warm fatigue... a beautiful thing. Antipatterns are the worst.
Saab also had the "night panel" feature where when night driving you could turn down the non-essential dash/cluster lights to avoid vision fatigue. I miss cars like that.
Auto giants like BMW, GM and Toyota make drivers ‘subscribe’ for basic features
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Remote start is a basic feature in cold climates like Canada, especially if you have young kids. It's hard enough to wrangle kids into the car, let alone when it's -40°C outside. Remote start allows the interior of the car to warm up beforehand.
So without checking the vehicle is in a condition to start safely, you can just fire it up without looking? Cool, cool...
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#204I can somewhat understand the logic of charging me a recurring fee for a service that costs the provider a recurring cost, gets regular improvements, and where data is maintained. TV/sat radio? Ok (not that I would buy that). Remote tracking / start? Why not. Internet access in the car? Sure. Satellite maps with updates? Maybe. I would hope that given how much you charge me for the product, these come included, but M…
This is less to do with blackmail than to do with optimising manufacturing. It is cheaper for manufacurers to produce all the cars with the same heated seats, but not allow you to use them if you don't pay the recurring charge (as long as enough % of customers opt-in), than to manufacture two versions of the car, one with the seats and one without, just so that you can feel like you aren't being blackmailed. You shou…
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> This is for example how CPUs and GPUs are sold This is not true. They are binned by capability, and sold at different price points. I don't mind that idea - if it turned out installing heated seats failed in say... 28% of installations, fine - charge me more for a model with functioning heated seats. Instead - this is introducing a fixed, recurring charge, and undermining the concept of ownership. That heated seat…
> This is not true. They are binned by capability, and sold at different price points. That's only for the very high yield ones which get sold for specific computing purposes. The GPUs you buy at the store are already from the shit pile. Within that shit pile though, they all have exactly the same amount of transistors in there usually across different versions of the same product line, and if you buy the highest end…
At one point, the old Geforce 6800 cards came in three varieties. The cheapest model had two disabled functional units. You could often unlock one successfully (6800XT to 6800), but both (6800XT to 6800GS) was prone to much higher instability and failure. Even if all the transistors worked, the rest of the board (power delivery, heatsinking) was often downgraded on cheap models.
Re: Auto giants like BMW, GM and Toyota make drivers ‘subscribe’ for basic features
#206I can somewhat understand the logic of charging me a recurring fee for a service that costs the provider a recurring cost, gets regular improvements, and where data is maintained. TV/sat radio? Ok (not that I would buy that). Remote tracking / start? Why not. Internet access in the car? Sure. Satellite maps with updates? Maybe. I would hope that given how much you charge me for the product, these come included, but M…
This is less to do with blackmail than to do with optimising manufacturing. It is cheaper for manufacurers to produce all the cars with the same heated seats, but not allow you to use them if you don't pay the recurring charge (as long as enough % of customers opt-in), than to manufacture two versions of the car, one with the seats and one without, just so that you can feel like you aren't being blackmailed. You shou…
It's a way for companies to extract more revenue. They hope that customers don't mind too much that they are segmented into groups.
But they do. They feel hurt and outraged if they discover that they paid more than the neighbor for the same product or if the product could be elevated to a higher level at no cost for the producer if only someone had the right key. Companies then try to be clandestine, to mollify customers with cheap added value or offering opt-in by a complicated process for free (loyalty cards, coupons, rebates with conditions, and so on).
It's a fundamental conflict between producers and consumers.
If you want a perfect market economy price segmentation should be avoided. It causes confusion for customers and therefore prevents price transparency. It enables rent seeking by companies.
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#207I predict in ten years we’ll all be buying and restoring cars from the early 2000s. It will be kind of like Cuba.
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High Beam Assist is a dangerous anti feature imo. Kind of glad for it to be gated behind a paid subscription, saves having to turn it off. I’ve driven various cars with this feature and they never turn it on and off when I would. I’ve nearly been crashed in to because a car at a junction thought I was flashing them to pull out, as I was doing 60 mph, and they did. (Also, I’m assuming the automatic turning on of the h…
Interesting, do you mind sharing what makes you've experienced it with? My new '22 Subaru is my first experience, and if anything, they are off way more than I would like.
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It seems better for second-hand sales though? You can sell your car as having heated seats available even if you never paid for them or used them. And you can sell to buyers who both want heated seats and those that don't. Buyers who don't want them don't have to waste money on them.
And buyers that do want heated seats, do need to waste money on them. Or more realistically, pay the one time fee to an independent shop to fix the problem.
Why is it 'pay for them' in the current model but 'waste money on them' in the new model?
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This is dumb and a sign that the system we have created to operate in is broken. Another sign. Programmers talk about code smells. This is a code smell about our resource extraction and sharing, and money systems. It's like how it's "cheaper" to farm some foods and ship them half way around the world via plain and ship, than it is to farm the same food and ship it 100km across land. The "cost" doesn't reflect _in any…
You're overselling the "true cost" of maritime shipping - it's far and away the most efficient form of freight we have. Ocean freight has carbon emissions of 7g of CO2 per tonne-kilometre. Road freight by comparison has emissions of 137 gCO2/tkm - nearly 20 times the ocean emissions. So, you would need to ship something 2000km before it has equivalent emissions to a 100km trip by road. So yea you're right that it'd b…