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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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After spending years grinding LeetCode... 1) they will join Meta and be a cannon fodder developer for a PHP coder that never excelled at those puzzles, Mark Zuckerberg. 2) a Github Copilot user will wipe the floor with them. Being good at LeetCode puzzles will be as practical as being able to mentally calculate square roots. Just a party trick for low rating TV shows.

Doesn't matter. When I joined CS degree I also thought like you did. Now looking at insane competition, the kids who can't write a real program if their life depends upon it, constantly getting better internship and job offers than me, I believe I was wrong. No one cares. People who interview are also likely Leetcode kids. So they will ask some obscure question from 14th page of Leetcode to flex, so the probability o…

I think learning data structures and algorithms as a software engineer is important. And if you legitimately want to pursue a deeper understanding of those because you have a practical purpose in mind, that's great.

But if that does not really interest you, and you only do it to pass some pointless interview to become an entry level employee at a MAANG... you need some perspective in life.

Let's say you do become an employee at a MAANG. You buy an expensive house, now you have to pay the mortgage for years. You get married, start a family with kids... now you have raised your cost of living to the point it is really hard for you to make less money. Now you have long-term, lifetime commitments that require you to make a lot of money, and your MAANG manager will sniff that desperation, will rub his hands, do an evil laugh and then work you to death.

Your family will be happy and abstracted from everything, but you will be deeply unhappy. You will have no time to make friends, you will be a foreigner in a very different country and nobody will understand you. You will go on vacation to expensive places, but your mind will always be trapped in the anxiety dimension created by your manager and your H-1B status. With a couple of mouse clicks and the stroke of a pen, your manager can make everything go away at any moment because when you lose your H-1B status you have to leave the country at once.

You will eventually get used to your higher standard of living and become indifferent to the materialistic aspects of your life. The excitement of your new life will fade away. Living in a nice house won't matter, having an expensive vehicle won't matter. You will have musical instruments and a boat and whatever hobbies but you'll have no time to pursue them. You will soon realize that you have money but no time.

The little time you have left, will be for you to spend with your kids, but you will be too tired to have meaningful interactions with them. Your kids will become spoiled by the standard of living you provide and will barely know you because you are always busy with work. They will grow in another country, speak a different first language, and will be assimilated by another culture. As they grow, they will feel more culturally disconnected from you, and become indifferent to you, your culture and your identity. Just like you did, they will leave the nest and never look back. You will be reduced to a contact in someone's smartphone that is never called.

You soon realize that the cost of your prosperity is the solitude and distance from your family and friends. You will be a miserable MAANG salaryman that made a pact with the devil and lost his soul. And it all started with the empty promise that if you complete enough stupid Leetcode exercises you will be rich and happy. If you are not already happy without a MAANG job, you won't be happy with one.

And I am going to plagiarize the ending of a similar story here:

His darkest secret, however, is that he lives in constant fear that, some day, he will fail. He will fall behind with his tasks, he will not meet his manager expectations and be replaced by younger engineers with more energy and more up-to-date knowledge. He will realize that his friends at work were fair-weather friends and that he lost, in a single stroke of fate, the attention he was so eagerly seeking.

Like the rest of us, he will grow old, his priorities will change, his eagerness will die down. As he looks around him, he may realize that the best times of life have passed him by, and that there is no making up for the lost time. He will be bitter, having left an insignificant mark on the world, having wasted his time in pointless pursuits. No one will miss him.

To him, I dedicate this epitaph:

Here Lies a Pirate Who Never Sailed.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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These days an H1B is the first step towards getting a green card, which in turn is the step towards citizenship

It is possible to petition for a green card without an h1b. Actually I wonder why in this story, Microsoft didn't sponsor an employment based GC.

Isn't there a multi-decade long waiting list for people born in India to receive green cards?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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And the racist shows up. The qualifying exams for MBBS degree is the same for everyone. A huge percentage of medical seats are literally purchased by wealthy parents for their kids. Yet the concern is always about low caste physicians, not nepotistic physicians.

The exam is the same, but the scores required vary by a large margin based on if you are in a reserved category or open category. I'm not saying that someone with a lower exam score cannot be a better doctor than someone with a higher score, but I would assume there would be a strong correlation

I am not talking about the entrance exam. I am talking about the final exam you need to pass to graduate. It is the same for everyone.

Once again, most of the students who qualify in the entrance exam with a lower score are the middle-high income class, donations and payments based upper caste students.

In all my years in India, not once has anyone complained about the upper caste doctors who have literally purchased a seat in medical school, including yourself. Their only concern is caste. The racism is very loud and very clear.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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as another American from an immigrant family. I think getting an H1-B should be easier, not tied to a company, and require companies to pay them more than a citizen. This prevents a lot of the abuse I see right now to people on H1-B's, staying with jobs that they hate, and prevents wage suppression in the industry for others.

I don't particularly care if work visas get harder. Maybe they should. What should be done is serious scrutiny _before_ someone is admitted. Once they are, the system should get out of their way. A person is working for years at some company, paying their taxes, spotless track record (often not even traffic tickets as they can cause trouble) and yet, they cannot even sponsor for permanent residency themselves. They d…

I feel like what you described is what I meant by easier to get.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Is that all that matters to people these days?

No but if we want to quantify whether a decision was a net win or not, a valid approach is to express it in monetary terms. There are other approaches, some more objective some less, but money is simple. E.g. if I worked at MS and over 10 years built a capital of $1mln, vs having worked in India and built a capital of $300k, there may be other considerations, but in purely monetary terms the MS approach would’ve been…

Except that $300k in India gets you farther than $1M in the US.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Doesn't matter. When I joined CS degree I also thought like you did. Now looking at insane competition, the kids who can't write a real program if their life depends upon it, constantly getting better internship and job offers than me, I believe I was wrong. No one cares. People who interview are also likely Leetcode kids. So they will ask some obscure question from 14th page of Leetcode to flex, so the probability o…

I think learning data structures and algorithms as a software engineer is important. And if you legitimately want to pursue a deeper understanding of those because you have a practical purpose in mind, that's great. But if that does not really interest you, and you only do it to pass some pointless interview to become an entry level employee at a MAANG... you need some perspective in life. Let's say you do become an…

Assuming you're from India and know well about the job market here,

My comment tries to highlight a very specific issue that using progressively harder leetcode problems selects for people who do leetcode all day, and me trying to focus on CS fundamentals and actual programming was a mistake.

It has nothing to do with me wanting to work in FAANGM or not, or any of the philosophy you wrote.

You wrote that FANGM salaried person will be miserable. You know who will be more miserable? The software engineer who had to settle for a less paying company or startup. The engineer who came from a humble rural background and wanted to leave a mark on the world, but lost to the measure-oriented competition which rewards the cargo cult mentality.

Looking around me, the cargo cult leetcoding kids are more happier, that's probably because they are already from a better background than I am. Doesn't change the fact that if I grinded what it required to game the job market, I would've been at a place better than them.

Doesn't matter you are one of the most gifted athlete, if you're playing the game that doesn't have any prizes.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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I think learning data structures and algorithms as a software engineer is important. And if you legitimately want to pursue a deeper understanding of those because you have a practical purpose in mind, that's great. But if that does not really interest you, and you only do it to pass some pointless interview to become an entry level employee at a MAANG... you need some perspective in life. Let's say you do become an…

Assuming you're from India and know well about the job market here, My comment tries to highlight a very specific issue that using progressively harder leetcode problems selects for people who do leetcode all day, and me trying to focus on CS fundamentals and actual programming was a mistake. It has nothing to do with me wanting to work in FAANGM or not, or any of the philosophy you wrote. You wrote that FANGM salari…

You assume that the facade people put on social media means they're happy. It will be all happy pictures at expensive restaurants and exotic vacation destinations, until one random day they change their relationship status to divorced or whatever, and then all that MAANG income will go to alimony and child support, and the wife will be keeping the nice house and car.

If the main thing that connects you to your family is money... well, guess what: your wife can have all of your money and stuff without needing you to be around. If you are married and working all the time, you are playing a very dangerous game. Once the net worth grows, so does the incentive to divorce.

All those innocent MAANG kids are in for a big surprise when they realize who is really in charge. Perhaps if they became a bit more informed about family law instead of focusing solely on those dumb Leetcode puzzles...

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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(I'll preface this by noting that I'm Canadian and will never vote in an American election) One of the reasons that immigration and green cards has always been such a hot-button political issue in the US is that first and second generation immigrants tend to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. You end up with this awkward feedback loop where D's are objectively politically motivated to increase immigration, while for R's i…

It’s because legal immigrants are overwhelmingly well educated so they vote like the average well educated American does. It also doesn’t help that the current GOP is more or less openly racist so a vote for them goes against basic self preservation.

Right, but you should be able to see that the “why” doesn’t really make any difference here, the effect is still the same. D’s remain motivated to keep immigration high, R’s remain motivated to bring it down.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Roughly 14% of the naturalized citizens were in the employment category. https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturaliza...

So 119,700? That's a lot. Does that count naturalized citizens that came for employment but brought their family?

119,700 isn't a lot in the context of overall immigration and the number of immigrants who come here to study and for employment. The number also includes the immediate family of the recipient (spouse + children), which would be about 2/3 or 1/2 of the 119,700.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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post #320

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The non-self inflicted is huge though, most gun deaths are suicides.

Correct - though the US doesn’t have a dramatically higher suicide rate compared to countries with vastly lower gun related homicide rates. So excluding non self inflicted rates may provide the more relevant metric for this analysis.

Too late to edit - I meant to write "excluding self inflicted rates", not "excluding non self inflicted rates", though I don't get the impression there was any misunderstanding.
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