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Post by redditor98654 »

webmobdev wrote: post #365
capybara_2020 wrote: post #354

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A lot of that rings true. Other than healthcare. It can be a nightmare finding a good doctor in India. The way most doctors behave can be insulting plus a lot of them are truly incompetent or corrupt. There are no real consequences to any of that. Most private hospitals are out to maximize how much they are earn from you and unnecessary procedures are the norm. As just one data point, check out the ratio of natural b…

While I agree that for-profit hospitals do have a lot of money-minded doctors (I hesitate to call them corrupt, as desire to earn more is normal in every field), I disagree with you completely that from the healthcare point of view India is a negative. India has excellent healthcare facilities and very good doctors (in the city) - and most importantly it is affordable for the upper-middle class even without insurance…

Personal anecdote, but most of my wife’s friends in India have themselves opted to go with a c-section. Mainly to avoid a tough labor and be able to plan ahead. My wife gave birth naturally here in the US where it is not an option unless medically necessary. In India patients can choose it seems and doctors allow it because it is a higher bill for them as well.

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Post by _kbh_ »

random314 wrote: post #319
ss2003 wrote: post #298

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Attacking Iraq was a very, very bad idea. Attacking Ukraine is suicidal.

Suicidal for whom?

Russia. I don't see how anyone can see the massive losses Russia has had as well as the lasting impacts of sanctions as anything but suicidal. Russia cannot even build a modern car with ABS and airbags, let alone a plane or a tank while sanctions are in place.

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Post by aidenn0 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #317
amf12 wrote: post #292

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Roughly 14% of the naturalized citizens were in the employment category. https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturaliza...

So 119,700? That's a lot. Does that count naturalized citizens that came for employment but brought their family?

There's over a million foreigners in school.

I had a friend with a CS degree ask if I would marry her because she didn't want to go back to China and couldn't get an H1B.

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Post by spoonjim »

29athrowaway wrote: post #376
spoonjim wrote: post #134

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Maybe shut down the southern border and instead admit more H1Bs? And use some judgment instead of a lottery. Someone who's been a manager at Microsoft is obviously a better bet than a TCS bodyshopper.

Unless you come up with a new innovation like self-installing drywalls and roofs, self-picking fruits, or self-slaughtering chickens, shutting down the southern border seems like a really counterproductive idea. Perhaps in a world where people did not need to live under a roof, and did not need to consume fruit or chickens, that idea would be great. Most of the money people in unskilled occupations make goes into pur…

Maybe a strawberry should cost 50 cents

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Post by [deleted] »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #279
dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

If you have high 6 or low 7 figure USD saved up, you can retire in nearly any location in India already.

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Post by noodlesUK »

aldebran wrote: post #16
yardie wrote: post #9

Note this was in 2007, during the height of the H1B body shop scams. The USCIS visa system was overwhelmed by companies like Infosys and Tata just submitting 1000s of applications for clearly underqualified, yet cheap candidates for jobs that didn't exist. This writer probably got their visa rejected over a less qualified candidate because of the quota limits for H1b.

This is unfortunately still the case. H1B lottery is still a thing. I had to lose a team member and the person saw a similar email in their inbox. Sucks!

Fwiw, there are other countries who would be very happy to have your team member if they’re interested in moving. Canada is much like the US and is way more generous with its visa policy, and the UK for all its problems is extremely easy to move to if you already work for a company who can sponsor your visa. Indian citizens also get a nice perk which (because India doesn’t allow dual nationality) they might find enjoyable - commonwealth (including India) citizens who gain permanent residency in the UK are entitled to pretty much all the rights of citizens including voting and standing for office.

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Post by Ao7bei3s »

outworlder wrote: post #345
Ao7bei3s wrote: post #307

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The work permit (I-765) does not allow you to enter the US, only to work when already legally in the country (for example, via an H-1B). And neither does the re-entry permit / advance parole (I-131) let you enter, unless you obtain it while in the US. And those documents can anyway only be applied if already in the country, and once your I-485 is current and I-140 is approved, which for Indians/Chinese/Filipinos mean…

> and for everyone else means a >1 year wait while PWD, PERM and I-140 process. Filed I-485 in 2020. Still pending. It's currently way more than one year. Some 2022 filers are getting it in a matter of months, but older applications are taking forever. > The work permit (I-765) does not allow you to enter the US, only to work when already legally in the country (for example, via an H-1B). H1B allows one to work, by i…

And even then there are always more caveats of course. For example, while as you say H-1B's generally don't rely on EAD/AP, H visas are 6 years and can be renewed indefinitely once I-140 is approved, whereas L visas are hard capped at 5-6 years. This means there is serious risk for someone on an L visa to max out their visa and end up being forced to rely on the Employment Authorization Document (EAD) and Advance Parole (AP). With all the problems that brings. This can easily happen if just a few things go wrong (e.g. during the PERM stage - hiring freezes, PERM audits, random covid fallout like legal uncertainty around how notice posting requirements interact with company wide work from home...). That is one reason why many L-1's like to play the H-1B lottery every year.

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Post by techie128 »

eldaisfish wrote: post #60
dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

be careful generalising india because anything that one can claim, the opposite is also true. A major reason countries like the USA and the UK flourish is stability. Stability is not something india has and that is a very difficult thing to put a price on. Indian capital markets are not transparent though that is less of an issue for startups. What should be telling is the number of "Indian" startups that are registe…

> The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to access it.

You're kidding, right? Vast majority of Americans have poor outcomes despite being insured. Let's not even talk about the uninsured that are constantly kicked to the curb as soon as they're stable. Medical debt is a big issue in the US regardless of your insurance status. Medical bankruptcy is a thing. People have to choose between food and life saving drugs like insulin which are cheap and easily available pretty much everywhere in the world. Do you want me to go on?

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Post by techie128 »

nxm wrote: post #306
amf12 wrote: post #110

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> their healthcare system is cheap but kills millions every year due to medical negligence. This is a problem money can solve though. If you have the money, you can get pretty good medical care in India. "cheap but kills millions" isn't really a problem faced by most people who have the money to afford it. > The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to…

90%+ of Americans have health insurance of one form or another

Yes, and insurance doesn't always cover every single medical bill. Therefore a lot of people experience extraordinary amounts of medical debt.

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Post by Ao7bei3s »

User23 wrote: post #357
outworlder wrote: post #342

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What? No. H1B is a dual-intent visa. If it was strictly a non-immigrant visa, then you cannot get a green card. Ever. You need some other type of visa that's either an immigrant visa(like marriage) or some other dual-intent visa. That's one thing that many americans don't understand. "He's lived in the US for 50 years, why didn't he become a citizen?!" Because, for most people, they have no path.

That’s not what the US government says: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b and https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waive... I have observed that this misunderstanding is widespread, for what it’s worth. Dual intent merely means intending to immigrate isn’t a disqualification, but that still requires getting some sort of additional immigrant visa.

You're right that they are formally non-immigrant visa (allowing dual intent), but it is a mostly meaningless distinction as far as H-1B's and L-1's go and it is incorrect to say that they are not dual-intent visa (as dual-intent visa can very well be a descriptive name rather than a proper name. In much the same way that one might refer to a Macbook as a laptop). There are even a few government sources that call them that: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22dual-intent+visa%22+site%... .

It is a bit of a pain point because it is sometimes used in discussions by people who are against immigration to suggest that "those people" on H-1B's/L-1's should not immigrate, should not expect to immigrate, and should have known better because they "are on a non-immigrant visa" and should have simply chosen a different path. Nevermind that this _is_ more or less the only realistic way to do employment based immigration, and by far the most common one. One might consider it a bit of an anti-immigrant dog whistle. (I am not accusing you of this, just explaining why you may have gotten that reaction.)

It is, however, entirely incorrect to say that immigrating _requires_ an immigrant visa. There are two ways of becoming an immigrant:

1. From outside the US, by applying for an immigrant visa at a consulate, and then presenting the immigrant visa at a port of entry. The officer may then admit the alien in the LPR (lawful permanent resident) status.

2. From inside the US, by petitioning USCIS to adjust the status to that of an LPR. There is no immigrant visa in this case.

In general, a visa is used to legally enter the country, and status is used to legally be in the country. They are entirely separate, with different expiration dates, physically separate stamps/stickers and all (see https://www.google.com/search?q=visa+stamp+and+admission+sta...). For example, a person can present an H-1B visa (a sticker in the passport, plus a stack of paper) at a port of entry, then be admitted in H-1B status (and usually get a stamp over the sticker at that time). However, while using a visa is one way to gain a status, it is not the only way. And visa do not correspond 1:1 to statuses.

The two different ways to become an LPR are very different in terms of process, which agency to petition, processing time, availability, conditions while waiting, options if denied, cost etc. So those really cannot be mixed up.

And so, yes, one can immigrate with only a non-immigrant visa such as an H-1B. That is an officially supported function of the system. And for employment based immigration, that is the normal way to do it. Therefore the more descriptive name "dual-intent visa" is rather useful in the context of employment based immigration, even though the proper classification is "non-immigrant visa". Whereas even if it is formally a "non-immigrant visa", it can be useful to say that in practice it is not really a "non-immigrant visa" but a "dual-intent visa".

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