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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by int_19h » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:47 PM UTC

fn-mote wrote: post #267

stainforth wrote: post #251

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Sounds like those points are all ripe opportunities for startups of their own no? Just a matter of identifying market gaps, I'm sure that's why US companies have hired so many Indians, just simple filling of needs and not some other mechanic as to way the world works.

Pretty sure you forgot the /s but just in case: a startup to fix "power cuts, water supply and flooding issues"? Like "startup government". I guess that's what the gated communities are?

"Snow Crash" described the logical conclusion of such a development:

"Have to bulldoze lots of neighborhoods to do it, but those seventies and eighties developments exist to be bulldozed, right? No sidewalks, no schools, no nothing. Don’t have their own police force — no immigration control — undesirables can walk right in without being frisked or even harassed. Now a Burbclave, that’s the place to live. A city-state with its own constitution, a border, laws, cops, everything."

"MetaCops Unlimited is the official peacekeeping force of White Columns, and also of The Mews at Windsor Heights, The Heights at Bear Run, Cinnamon Grove, and The Farms of Cloverdelle. They also enforce traffic regulations on all highways and byways operated by Fairlanes, Inc. ... MetaCops’ main competitor, WorldBeat Security, handles all roads belonging to Cruiseways, plus has worldwide contracts with Dixie Traditionals, Pickett’s Plantation, Rainbow Heights (check it out—two apartheid Burbclaves and one for black suits), Meadowvale on the [insert name of river] and Brickyard Station."

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by vkou » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:53 PM UTC

wowokay wrote: post #127

rakejake wrote: post #45

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Not all countries are blessed with the nature's bounty that the US is blessed with. I agree Energy is something India will be working on furiously in the coming decade. I presume both nuclear and renewable will be expanded rapidly. In the interim, India does have good relationships with most energy producing countries (Russia, Saudi). What food security challenges does India have? India has been much poorer in the pa…

I feel like a good relationship with Russia is not a plus for India right now.

Why? They treat eachother like partners, not like vassal states, and the rest of the world is not treating India like a pariah, despite its relationship with Russia.

It's a win-win for India.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by xiaodai » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:55 PM UTC

it's a bit sad to lose talent like this. Wonder how we can attract talents like this to Australia? I guess the market isn't big enough but selling software is easily an international business so in Aus we have some powerhouse software companiest too like Atlassian and Canva

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:55 PM UTC

thisoneworks wrote: post #233

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #229

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I'm not saying the US immigration system is perfect but there were apparently 855,000 new naturalized citizens in 2021. Somebody is figuring it out. Also- the US doesn't owe everybody a citizenship.

Majority of them are family based as opposed to employment based, so your point is invalid

How much of a majority?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by deepdriver » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

As an American from a non-immigrant family, I think stamping visas is easier than fixing a broken education system, so that’s what corporate leaders would rather do to fill seats. We have over 330 million Americans in this country, many seeking good jobs and salaries like those found in tech, yet we struggle to produce enough qualified STEM grads and resort to importing other countries’ elites. The programming and computer science education in most US high schools is near zero. It’s a national embarrassment. And frankly, the more US companies are helmed by new arrivals who retain strong ties to the mother country, the less they feel a kinship to the majority of Americans and the less likely they are to invest in those Americans’ futures. I’ve seen this preference play out firsthand inside Google and other places.

I expect disagreement from many who’d flip viewpoints if the shoe changed feet.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by SloopJon » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:56 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #27

US immigration policies for Indian and Chinese nationals has been a blessing for their home grown tech ecosystem. There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated in the last ~15 years, and the top 5% talent that used to come over by default is now working at or founding companies at home instead. This is directly correlated to the number of tech unicorns in these countries growing exponentia…

> There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated in the last ~15 years

I'm no expert, but I don't think this is quite right. For an applicant with a bachelor's degree, the cutoff date is February 2012 for India, and April 2018 for China:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...

With an advanced degree, it's December 2014 for India and April 2019 for China.

Please correct me if my understanding is incorrect.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by shard » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 10:57 PM UTC

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #217

shard wrote: post #170

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You can shorten the time you need to be a resident to 3 years by marrying a US citizen: https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn-about-citizenship/ci...

Yes, US citizens can sponsor foreign nationals both within and outside the USA for green cards through marriage. The process itself (current status or no status) to green card easily takes 2 years. Once that person arrives, they can get citizenship (not residency) within 3 years. The sentence structure though seems to imply marrying solely for status, which is fraud, and reflects very poorly on both applicant and pet…

No implication to promote the commitment of fraud, simply stating a fact to correct the previous comment.

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Post by weatherlite » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 11:00 PM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #254

weatherlite wrote: post #139

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It's very unlikely Russia will do anything to mess up what they have going with China and India...because they don't have much other alternatives. I am not talking morals here ... I am calling it as it is. This has nothing to do with morals.

If Russia did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Ukraine. Since we are talking about a Russia willing to do stupid things there is no reason to believe they won't mess with India or China.

> If Russia did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Ukraine

If the U.S did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Iraq.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by spaceman_2020 » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 11:03 PM UTC

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

If you have high 6 or low 7 figure USD saved up, you can retire in nearly any location in India already.

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Post by Spivak » Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 11:03 PM UTC

8ytecoder wrote: post #256

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #249

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Body/team leasing is nearly always shit quality, doesn't matter if it's from India or not. You can try to pay folk in India much less than you can get away with in e.g. Europe though.

I've had some good experience hiring contractors. It all depends on what the goal is. If the goal is high quality work there are shops for that and if the goal is for a big enterprise to manage costs and de-risk themselves by hiring contractors as easy-to-let-go resources, you get exactly that. I've dealt with both and the latter is just extremely frustrating made infinitely worse by dealing with the timezone. If you…

This seems about right, if you want the expert in something you’ll pay out the ass for it but drowning in extremely high quality code.

But if you just want good code it’s cheaper to hire employees. Contractors around or below the cost of full time employees are truly something else.