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Post by 29athrowaway »

yardie wrote: post #9

Note this was in 2007, during the height of the H1B body shop scams. The USCIS visa system was overwhelmed by companies like Infosys and Tata just submitting 1000s of applications for clearly underqualified, yet cheap candidates for jobs that didn't exist. This writer probably got their visa rejected over a less qualified candidate because of the quota limits for H1b.

And that was just the beginning.

Companies like Tata and Infosys also required their H1B employees to grant them power of attorney, and they would also file fraudulent tax returns on behalf of employees.

As a foreigner living in another country, you represent your country. Depending on what you do, you may be opening doors or closing doors.

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Post by yieldcrv »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #284
yieldcrv wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask, how fast are the exits if I was to invest in India companies? One thing that turned me off from US venture capital was the culture of delaying exits to the stock market, compared to the 90s when Microsoft/Netscape/Amazon all IPO'd at like $30 million market caps and rallied and there was so much upside and liquidity. Is there a culture like that in India right now, or something similar? I really like how t…

The exit scene is very rough actually. Indian investors are conservative and the public markets don’t have much appetite for loss making companies. Silicon Valley accounting chicanery such as “adjusted EBITDA” don’t fly here - investors demand PAT - Profits After Tax. Many of the current crop of unicorns have been waiting for years for an exit. If the current funding downturn continues, there is a good chance most of…

that’s very insightful! I’ll look further into it

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Post by digianarchist »

Ao7bei3s wrote: post #296
digianarchist wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a H1-B stay in a job they hate? The visa is actually portable unlike TN, E3 or L1.

H-1B is portable in theory, and many H-1B's to switch. However it is tedious and risky for many reasons. For example: - There are many restrictions. H-1B is still coupled to a particular occupation (type of job). Any new job has to remain >50% similar. People on H-1B can also only go to companies that will sponsor their H-1B going forward (so self-employment and most smaller companies are out), and one would not want…

Almost every point here applies to all non-immigrant visas. H-1B is better than the others because it allows Indian born citizens to remain in the United States despite the Green Card backlog injustice.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

cercatrova wrote: post #107
dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

One reason not to go back to India: climate change and heat. People are basically burning alive there and due to the high population, many people will starve in the coming decades as droughts cause crop failures. This will cause food and water wars as rising instability of the subcontinent means many people will need asylum. The area will not be geopolitically, financially, or otherwise stable in such a time. If I we…

You came to the right place then! /s

https://youtu.be/RjsThobgq7Q?t=862

The same thing is happening to the US in the Midwest and California, two zones of high agricultural significance.

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Post by rajeshp1986 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #144
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

what boggles my mind even more is US lets people from other visa categories so easily without even vetting but creates so many hurdles for students & tech-workers who definitely contribute more positively to US economy. Take marriage green card route for example. Green card marriage is a widely known term now. Similarly, refugee visa is exploited a lot. I know people who received refugee visa by faking their stories. In some cases they are not even from the country they are claiming to be. All those people who game those visas come and take one or the other form of government support whereas students and tech workers only contribute to the economy.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by 29athrowaway »

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

> no prevalence of gun culture

Let's compare crime rates, rates of conviction, police corruption, judicial corruption, etc. and see what place is safer to live in.

> Kids just stay at home grinding LC all day.

That's sad. I would rather study a computer science subject that helps me create something of value.

Do you think Linus Torvalds, John Carmack, Dennis Ritchie, and others spent their days grinding Leetcode? no. If they did, you would not know about them today.

They spent their days improving their craft by creating and delivering value.

All of the people grinding Leetcode will be replaced in a couple of years by Github Copilot anyways.

> its a whole different scene

Sure, it is. A scene obsessed with passing interviews rather than what comes after you accept the offer. A scene obsessed with entering a MAANG and total compensation. A corruption of the software engineering discipline.

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Post by thatfrenchguy »

screye wrote: post #302
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by compromising on the biggest decision (marriage) of your life. I don’t see how that’s a compromise though? The cultural expectations are just different for folks from India: no parent from France is expecting their kid who decided to move to another country to be with a French person, and 90% of immigrants from India end up marrying another immigrant from India, even if they more to the US in their early twenties…

I don't think this matches standard wisdoms. Culturally, 'Western Europe + USA' are more similar to each other than Indian sub-cultures among themselves. In most cases you are interacting with other white people coming from christian cultures. Even the People-of-Color that white people do date tend to be deeply integrated into western culture to the point where they're more culturally white than Indian. In terms of c…

> Culturally, 'Western Europe + USA' are more similar to each other than Indian sub-cultures among themselves

I'm French and my partner is American. This is really really really really not true, the cultural differences between French and American people are enormous.

[2 Table 3] https://www.mit.edu/~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf

> While this is significantly below the 53% that we would observe under random matching, it is still far above the 4% of interracial marriages observed in the Census data

They clearly have a sample bias though :). Their data is also fairly outdated: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trend...

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Post by yieldcrv »

atwood22 wrote: post #209
mywittyname wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1B employees cost a lot more to employ than fresh grads. On top of having to pay above average wage, companies have to employ lawyers to handle a lot of paperwork. > most companies don't want to invest in training anyone up anymore The past four companies I've worked for had training programs for new employees and internship programs to funnel college students into jobs after graduation. Maybe bad experience on your…

Do H1Bs really earn above average wage? Haven’t seen that. Overall, H1Bs increase the labor supply, which decreases the price of labor.

depends on the field

but its a bad and outdated assumption to make, at least for tech

department of labor forces companies to submit compensation data

someone aggregates this on h1bdata.info

(the data is not uniform though, as some companies are including total compensation and this is normalized as “salary”)

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Post by 2143 »

pastor_bob wrote: post #223
dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

> Interviews over there are insanely competitive. Why is it then that it's common understanding that Indian teams are usually bad? Why are they so difficult to deal with and why do they produce bad code?

Because people hire the cheapest people they can get.

The highly skilled people likely wouldn't even be on the market for hire because they already have well-paying jobs.

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Post by heavyset_go »

wowokay wrote: post #121
amf12 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> their healthcare system is cheap but kills millions every year due to medical negligence. This is a problem money can solve though. If you have the money, you can get pretty good medical care in India. "cheap but kills millions" isn't really a problem faced by most people who have the money to afford it. > The US healthcare system - for all its flaws - has some of the best outcomes provided you have enough money to…

No this is not true, you can’t be denied medical treatment in the US even if you don’t have the ability to pay it.

Yes, you can be denied treatment. ERs are just obligated to stabilize patients no matter their ability to pay. Nobody who needs it is getting an insulin supply or chemotherapy without the ability to pay for it.
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