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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

Is that why my LeetCode ranking is always so depressingly abysmal? My solutions are always bottom 25% of speed and space usage, and the pass rate for some of their questions are way higher than my average.

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Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Majority of them are family based as opposed to employment based, so your point is invalid

How much of a majority?

Roughly 14% of the naturalized citizens were in the employment category.

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship-resource-center/naturaliza...

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

> Interviews over there are insanely competitive. Why is it then that it's common understanding that Indian teams are usually bad? Why are they so difficult to deal with and why do they produce bad code?

You're probably thinking of a few big consulting companies who by no means represent the best and brightest and are just resume fodder for many others. The turnover at these places is awful.

Just one example, a lot of target's tech seems to be developed in their Bangalore office: https://india.target.com/work/teams/targettech. Hard to tell how much, but I imagine that being a significantly better workplace than Accenture. I hope one of their developers sees this and can clarify the extent their team works on the app/sites.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Tbh, this sounds like a good thing to me. Snapdeal is an amazon competitor that likely would not have made it in America. Now Snapdeal gets to actually contribute to the economic growth of India while they are going through their own "industrial revolution" of sorts.

Brain drain is devastating for the developing world. Abolishing H1B completely would be a net positive for the world in my opinion.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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This is unfortunately still the case. H1B lottery is still a thing. I had to lose a team member and the person saw a similar email in their inbox. Sucks!

The lottery is still a thing but not for India and China.

That’s not true. You might be confusing the H1B lottery and the Green card cap per country. The two are barely related.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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post #178

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as another American from an immigrant family. I think getting an H1-B should be easier, not tied to a company, and require companies to pay them more than a citizen. This prevents a lot of the abuse I see right now to people on H1-B's, staying with jobs that they hate, and prevents wage suppression in the industry for others.

Why would a H1-B stay in a job they hate? The visa is actually portable unlike TN, E3 or L1.

H-1B is portable in theory, and many H-1B's to switch. However it is tedious and risky for many reasons. For example:

- There are many restrictions. H-1B is still coupled to a particular occupation (type of job). Any new job has to remain >50% similar. People on H-1B can also only go to companies that will sponsor their H-1B going forward (so self-employment and most smaller companies are out), and one would not want to go to a company that would not also sponsor the greencard. Transfers in the same company are possible, but even just changes to the job description (e.g. becoming a manager, or switching from devs to ops) or worksite usually require a new PWD (Prevailing Wage Determination) and LCA (Labor Condition Application).

- The processing of H-1B transfers has recently taken around 6 months for some. Theoretically you can switch before the government approves the transfer; practically if the transfer is rejected for whatever arbitrary reason or government error you want to be able to fallback to the existing H-1B. And so it is advisable to wait for the transfer to go through. How many potential new companies are fine with that? (What is the damage to previous companies from people quietly just coasting and waiting for the H-1B transfer to go through due to such delays?)

- Any change also increases the risk of rejections during the next renewal (and people from greencard backlogged countries have to renew every year, for decades at the current rate). How big the risk is depends a lot on federal politics (for example, the prior deference rule was withdrawn during the previous administration, and reinstated during this administration) and can change fast.

- Switching jobs while on H-1B during certain stages of the immigration/greencard process (PWD, PERM, I-140 plus 6 months for AC21 portability) resets that process, and restarting it incurs potentially years-long delays and large expenses (for the company, which is worse). PERM itself may have become harder recently due to changes in the legal landscape and one would not want to give up a successful PERM.

- The risk of layoffs is perceived as greater for new hires than for established engineers. A person on H-1B who is laid off has 60 days to find a new job, or the H-1B ends. So during an economic downturn giving up a solid position is a risk.

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US immigration policies for Indian and Chinese nationals has been a blessing for their home grown tech ecosystem. There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated in the last ~15 years, and the top 5% talent that used to come over by default is now working at or founding companies at home instead. This is directly correlated to the number of tech unicorns in these countries growing exponentia…

Thanks to "consulting" companies' abuse of H1B. We should've just have a stack ranking of H1B candidates, based on income (and severe penalties for regression in comp, so you can't just do it for the visa). This would immediately break companies like Infosys that simply spams the lottery system with bogus applications.

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If Russia did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Ukraine. Since we are talking about a Russia willing to do stupid things there is no reason to believe they won't mess with India or China.

> If Russia did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Ukraine If the U.S did reasonable things they wouldn't have attacked Iraq.

Attacking Iraq was a very, very bad idea. Attacking Ukraine is suicidal.

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agree, since India is like 5-10 years behind USA in the tech space, most unicorns in India are just companies that already exist in some form in USA. In India, the execution of a business is the hard part by far, and not the novelty of the idea.

How exactly? In certain sectors like payments, India appears to be ahead of the US by certain years thanks to UPI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

India was always a little bit ahead of the US in banking, just because of leapfrog effects

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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I'm an engineer that moved to Canada. Let me tell you, I am here because they made it easy (or at least do-able) to come, and the people made it extremely pleasant to stay. In America, you also get the mostly immigrant-friendly culture, but it's orders of magnitude harder and more involved to get there. So it's not even on my radar.

Judging by the high quantity and quality of Canadian engineers I've worked with in America, I think Canada welcomes foreign engineers because all their domestic engineers already left for America.

Further, most of those foreign staff at tech companies in Canada (or, more likely, US tech companies' Canadian offices) are there because they are waiting for US visas, or can't get US visas.
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