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Post by bialpio »

hunterb123 wrote: post #129
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

I'm not sure where you got the 14.5 months from. This is roughly how much time it took for my citizenship application to get processed, but it does not include the 5 year period of being a permanent resident (and applying for it also took ~1.5 years). Total time from setting my foot in the US on H-1B to getting citizenship was roughly 8.5 years.

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Post by tenpies »

xuki wrote: post #43
paxys wrote: post #27

US immigration policies for Indian and Chinese nationals has been a blessing for their home grown tech ecosystem. There is no path to a green card or citizenship for anyone who immigrated in the last ~15 years, and the top 5% talent that used to come over by default is now working at or founding companies at home instead. This is directly correlated to the number of tech unicorns in these countries growing exponentia…

I don't know about India, but China's policy to block US big techs is the reason why China have the tech companies they have today.

Given the political state of US tech, has this not proven to be an incredibly wise decision?

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by ra7 »

hunterb123 wrote: post #145
nine_zeros wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years. The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile. America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives. > A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10…

No 14.5 months is the average for naturalization. https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-doe... Total time is 18.5-24 months to wrap up everything, but the 14.5 months you're able to be in the US which is what matters. How does that compare to other countries? What's your ideal country that has the best immigration times? - edit - Green card from nil is also just a year or so on average, in which ca…

Green card to naturalization is not the same as going from visa to green card.

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Post by qaq »

hunterb123 wrote: post #145
nine_zeros wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years. The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile. America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives. > A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10…

No 14.5 months is the average for naturalization. https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-doe... Total time is 18.5-24 months to wrap up everything, but the 14.5 months you're able to be in the US which is what matters. How does that compare to other countries? What's your ideal country that has the best immigration times? - edit - Green card from nil is also just a year or so on average, in which ca…

You have to reside for 5 years on GC first. It can take years for GC to get processed so overall at present it can be close to 10 years.

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Post by solveit »

aidenn0 wrote: post #144
yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

What always boggled my mind is we allow students to come study in the University system, but then when they graduate send them away. I suspect a platform of "We will train foreigners to enrich their homelands" wouldn't get much popular support, but it's the de-facto rule we live under.

The mental model many people seem to have is "foreigners will pay us exorbitant amounts of tuition for a prestigious diploma, and education isn't actually valuable so we might as well send them back home".

And it's only mildly surprising people think this way. The median American does seem to go through an educational system that takes all their money and gives them a diploma without actually providing valuable expertise in anything. But the experience is exactly the opposite for the best immigrants, who only sometimes pay much tuition (PhDs in STEM in particular very rarely pay with anything other than their labor as teaching/research assistants), and gain enormously valuable expertise. It's completely asinine, but perhaps not so surprising.

Re: H1B rejected – builds unicorn back home

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Post by darth_avocado »

hunterb123 wrote: post #129
nine_zeros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US allows more immigrants than any other country. What exactly is the criticism? The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. It is not a numbers game. If you can attract the best, you need to let them thrive instead of enslaving them.

> The system is unbelievably cruel. People die (or see their loved ones die) before they get greencards. People die before many things, that's not really relevant and it's just an emotional statement. Compare the length and rate to other countries for an actual assessment. A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10 years for citizenship, the US is 14.5 months on average. I'm talking about the amount of immigrants tak…

>14.5 months on average

The system is different for everyone. It depends on visa types, country of origin and a bunch of other factors.

Also, the 14.5 months on average is just the time it takes for USCIS to process the N400 application for naturalization. The actual time it takes for the naturalization is 18-24 months. And the biggest part that comes before you apply for naturalization for most immigrants is to obtain a Greencard, which takes the longest time, in some cases more than a few decades.

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Post by hello_moto »

dxbydt wrote: post #26

In the early 1990s when I came here, the prevailing wisdom was that its categorically better to immigrate to the US from India if you get a chance. India was too far back in the tech space, too much bureaucracy, corruption, red-tape etc etc... In the 2020s, the consensus is quite mixed. A lot of people I personally worked with, who successfully got their visas and green cards, have given it all up and gone straight b…

> 500+ LC. Kids just stay at home grinding LC all day. There are dedicated youtube channels in Hindi & other regional lang telling you how to dynamic program, backtrack, div & conquer, two pointer....its a whole different scene.

That's because it is a deeply rooted culture/attitude of the people in India (or other developing countries): intellectual one-upmanship (i.e.: my "brain" is bigger than yours).

Nobody wants to be perceived to acquire something (a job, a house, anything) easily; people want to have a sense of the greatest achievement after a tough grind.

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Post by cardine »

hunterb123 wrote: post #145
nine_zeros wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most countries I've looked into take up to 10 years. The set of countries you want to compare with are the countries that claim they want to welcome immigrants. You don't want to compare with countries that you like but are hostile. America claims to be immigrant friendly but compared to other immigrant friendly nations, the process is brutal and eats away entire lives. > A lot countries I've looked into take 5-10…

No 14.5 months is the average for naturalization. https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/how-long-doe... Total time is 18.5-24 months to wrap up everything, but the 14.5 months you're able to be in the US which is what matters. How does that compare to other countries? What's your ideal country that has the best immigration times? - edit - Green card from nil is also just a year or so on average, in which ca…

The parent tweet is someone from India.

Current green card wait times are approximately 10 years[1] right now. Given the length of the green card wait time you usually need some other visa (such as H1B) that will allow you to still live in the USA before you can actually apply for green card.

Currently the H1B lottery approves less than half of the people who apply.

So if you are trying to immigrate from India you are looking at: H1B (1-4 years depending lottery luck) Green Card (10+ years) Time to become US citizen (1-2 years from what you posted)

So as a highly skilled advanced degree holder from India (the case of this Tweet) the overall time is 12-16 years and that is still no guarantee due to H1B being a lottery.

[1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car... (See EB-2 and EB-3)

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Post by thehappypm »

yosito wrote: post #111

As an American from an immigrant family, I think the US is really losing here. We should be giving visas out liberally to any skilled professional who wants one. Immigration is the only thing that ever truly made the US stand out. On the other hand, as a global citizen with multiple passports who hasn't lived in the US for some time, maybe this is a good thing for the rest of the world. Spreading innovation out a bit…

It’s tough because many of our societal problems are only exacerbated by population growth, especially in the areas where these types of workers tend to congregate. Highly skilled workers don’t go to the Midwest or the deep south. They go and drive up rental prices in New York and San Francisco, where the jobs are. Well the first order effects of having a more skilled in competitive work for us are good, the second order effects can be very very negative and we got to be careful about that

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Post by splintercell »

wowokay wrote: post #124
weatherlite wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S has stability? Mmm not really.

It has been stable since I have been here? In fact all the issues that make the most $$$, gun violence, abortion, race relations, these are not a problem at the macro level. If anything it should be commended that our media and leadership has the luxury to complain about these “issues” that affect less then 5% of the population.

Bro good luck on the upcoming Hindu-Muslim civil war, and then subsequent South Indian secession movement.

PS: I know what you're going to tell me, that I don't know what I am talking about, but believe me, I do.

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