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Remote startups will win the war for top talent

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Post by throwawaysleep »

didgetmaster wrote: post #77

I think it really depends on what kind of 'worker' you are. Some people can take a task, go off by themselves, and work independently for hours or days at a time to complete it with little or no interaction with others. These people are highly productive in a remote setting. Others require constant interaction with others in order to accomplish much of anything. They need a barrage of ideas and help coming at them co…

Also depends on what kind of worker you want to be. I want to just clear Jira tickets. Anything that requires cross department collaboration, I neglect until someone else takes.

I have no interest in doing one damn extra meeting to deal with org politics.

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Post by dont__panic »

plehoux wrote: post #68

I'm in the rare camp of those believing the employees will crave back the office at some point. Maybe not in the crazy expensive cities with long commutes like LA and SF, but everywhere, yes.

Why do you believe this? I think some workers prefer in-office work. But just as many likely prefer no commute at all. Just like some people love crazy expensive cities, but just as many love cheaper cities and rural areas.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

lm28469 wrote: post #115
jcims wrote: post #98

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I feel like this will continue to evolve until we get something akin to virtual countries, where I pay fees/taxes into some virtual substrate that manages my access to services regardless of where I am.

> where I pay fees/taxes into some virtual substrate The thing is that you're supposed to be tax where you live to finance the public infrastructure you use, pension schemes of locals, &c. I know a few of wantrepreneurs who live abroad, bill under an Estonian "e company" , don't pay taxes locally and on top of that illegally get unemployment benefits from their home country This trend has to cease and with the new "r…

> you're supposed to be tax where you live to finance the public infrastructure you use, pension schemes of locals,

The problem exists only because the cost for most of these services is socialized via general taxes. One possible solution is to pay a flat tax for local services in the place you live for as long as you are there. The pension scheme solution is to select a pension scheme and pay there, no matter where you are located. The problem with these solutions is you cannot have a Bismark pension scheme, lime most of Europe, and the local administrations need to deal with deductions for people with low income, but it is nothing that cannot be solved.

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Post by dogman144 »

xxxxyxxyxxyxyx wrote: post #240
dogman144 wrote: post #203

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The thing is you’re asking everyone else in the office to come in and experience all the negative externalities (commute, health, family) just so you can have an easy way to get out and about after work. That doesn’t seem fair to me.

I don't think OP is. They know how they feels and they're betting others feel the same. Employees wanting to work in an office isn't the same thing as employers forcing people to.

Right, my base assumption is betting a lot of the other employees don’t feel the same. There are a core group of work friends that maybe stick around after leaving a job as friends, the rest are evenings you’re taking from me, my family, and my time at a pub b/c those pub nights are ultimately important for career management and matter little for meaningful socialization.

I feel like people get this or not. The relationships at work are more for career advancement than friendship (or I’m a sociopath). This has been a thing forever, Office Space was a hit for a reason.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

FpUser wrote: post #231
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #145

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> yes, this is a me thing, but it's also always been a me thing I feel like picking jobs off of a desire to live a social life and feel like part of a community is extremely normal and valid. Remote work is essentially accepting that the primary way you'll engage with your colleagues and labor is through a screen, and that is an uncomfortable feeling (to some people at least)

>"I feel like picking jobs off of a desire to live a social life and feel like part of a community is extremely normal " Been on my own and remote since 2000. I am remote with my clients save for occasional face to face meeting when possible and I am remote with my subcontractors. It feels "extremely normal" to me and the last thing I've ever want is my friends and people I hang out with being supplied by my workplac…

Why can't they both be normal?

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Post by andrewingram »

dogman144 wrote: post #203
andrewingram wrote: post #75

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Right. During my somewhat passive job search, I've only been considering companies that have an office local to me (i.e. Central London). I've been working remotely since the start of the pandemic, and I simply don't like it. Sure, I don't miss having to commute or offices with bad noise pollution controls, but I miss everything else. Most of all, I miss being in town at the end of the day and being able to pop to th…

The thing is you’re asking everyone else in the office to come in and experience all the negative externalities (commute, health, family) just so you can have an easy way to get out and about after work. That doesn’t seem fair to me.

I'm struggling to find the bit where I demand all the remote-first or hybrid companies changes their ways and conform to my preferences.

No, I'm looking for companies that fit my preferences. Which is making my job search much harder, but I know what I need.

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Post by jeremyjh »

dogman144 wrote: post #203
andrewingram wrote: post #75

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Right. During my somewhat passive job search, I've only been considering companies that have an office local to me (i.e. Central London). I've been working remotely since the start of the pandemic, and I simply don't like it. Sure, I don't miss having to commute or offices with bad noise pollution controls, but I miss everything else. Most of all, I miss being in town at the end of the day and being able to pop to th…

The thing is you’re asking everyone else in the office to come in and experience all the negative externalities (commute, health, family) just so you can have an easy way to get out and about after work. That doesn’t seem fair to me.

No, he’s looking for a job where his coworkers have similar desires. I don’t see the problem with this.

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Post by randomdata »

tomtheelder wrote: post #241
randomdata wrote: post #180

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> that those whose personalities differ are self-selecting for working in an office environment? Remote doesn't specify where you work, though. In my 20 years of working remotely, I've worked from home, from cars, hotels, cafes, offices, out in the middle of a field, you name it I've probably done it. 100% remote working conditions can mean working in an office environment every single day, if that's your preference.…

Working in an office without your coworkers is in no way a substitute for working in an office with them. What people are talking about when they say they prefer an office environment is face to face collaboration and socialization. You don't get that unless the people in the office with you are you coworkers.

The theory proposed earlier is that you will self-select to work with other workers who choose to work in offices, if that's your preference, so it can remain a 100% remote situation where the preferred remote location is the office.

There is an implication as well, though, that there is an additional self-selection towards having dictation on how to live your life from a greater power among those who prefer working in offices, seeing those people self-select businesses that have mandated location requirements. That is what we are exploring here.

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Post by bastardoperator »

jejeyyy77 wrote: post #103
bearjaws wrote: post #16

I never really understood why people say productivity and socializing is difficult remote. It's difficult because people aren't putting thought into it. At my last big-co job the leadership just kept waiting for 'covid to be over' and not improving our remote work culture. Hybrid models will always struggle and 1/3/1 is going to be probably the best you can do. My company is fully remote, we embraced the GitLab model…

I think one thing noone wants to admit is that a significant part of your team don't even want to "socialize" with coworkers outside of work. They want to just do their work, go home, and socialize with their friends/family.

It's sometimes referred to as "not shitting where you eat". My coworkers are not my friends or people I want socialize with outside of a work settings. I keep it like that on purpose. That doesn't mean I won't treat my coworkers with the utmost respect while being friendly and kind, or that they aren't awesome people, it just means I like to keep my personal life separate from my work life.
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