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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by _abox »

AnonCoward42 wrote: post #334
GekkePrutser wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big cities are always a lot more progressive. But a christian-conservative like Merkel wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the more rural masses. They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that are the most susceptible to 'for the children!!!' type privacy invasion. At least in my experience here in the Netherlands, this is usually the angle those measures are p…

Merkel is not christian-conservative except for the label of the party itself. She hit most of the progressive boxes really, especially "no nations, no borders" and the climate sale of indulgence. I also wanna add that Merkel was elected by big city voters as well and not just the (framed stupid and wrong) "rural masses". > They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that…

Admittedly I'm a bit disguntled by the conservatives in my own country which are mainly supported by the rural communities. I let that show too much in my comment which was not fair. I'm sorry.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by zyx321 »

raverbashing wrote: post #298
unknownaccount wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany has many anti-privacy laws like the Impressum system which forces website owners to essentially dox themselves on a public webpage. I’m not sure where the misconception that Germany had strong privacy laws came from.

Personal privacy is different than commercial privacy I guess

Bingo. Impressum is mandatory for commercial sites (including anything ad-supported), but on the other hand WHOIS has been crippled by German privacy laws. The standard API will give you only the name servers, and the denic website will give you the owner-c email address (after solving a captcha) but no mailing address without a court order.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by zx85wes »

hedgedoops2 wrote: post #299
paganel wrote: post #222

As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…

> and it sickens me to see that my privacy depends on countries and electorates on which I have no say The problem isn't "foreign rule". The Swiss, famously independent, have one of the worst surveillance laws. Doesn't chat control require unanimity in the EU council? If yes, if it happens, it will be because of 'your own' politicians. Also, the EU parliament votes on this, and small countries have more power than la…

But the Swiss could organise a referendum and could've voted it down if they had wanted. (and they can also vote for much more draconian initiatives if they want). Ps : Iceland?

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by mardifoufs »

Spivak wrote: post #238
ChrisKnott wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence do you have to support this? Everything I can see suggests that they sincerely believe this will help protect children.

Especially because in the US we already do this and the sky hasn’t fallen. Storage providers and hosting services already scan for it and popular chat apps block sending matching images client side. Like everyone saying this is the spiral to dystopia has to contend with the fact that we’re already apparently living in one.

What? The US doesn't do this. What's the law that mandates scanning chat messages?

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by jacooper »

paganel wrote: post #222

As an EU citizen I didn't know exactly what that Chat Control thing was, so I web searched it: > The EU wants to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child pornography. [1] Yeah, that will go down well, a central government checking our private conversations for "suspicious content". Of co…

Didn't Germany question and pressure the EU consul about chat control?

Deutsch: https://netzpolitik.org/2022/chatkontrolle-bundesregierung-l...

Translation: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/vitir0/germany_ask...

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by zx85wes »

_abox wrote: post #351
AnonCoward42 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merkel is not christian-conservative except for the label of the party itself. She hit most of the progressive boxes really, especially "no nations, no borders" and the climate sale of indulgence. I also wanna add that Merkel was elected by big city voters as well and not just the (framed stupid and wrong) "rural masses". > They must have enough votes to influence policy in such a big way. And those are the ones that…

Admittedly I'm a bit disguntled by the conservatives in my own country which are mainly supported by the rural communities. I let that show too much in my comment which was not fair. I'm sorry.

Don't be. I'm sure most people here feel the same.

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by [deleted] »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #329
hammyhavoc wrote: post #320

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That's very interesting re Hetzner. When I signed up Hetzner about two weeks ago, I wasn't asked for any kind of ID, in fact I was quite surprised how little friction there was. Experience hasn't been good though, so you haven't missed out on much. Downtime and connectivity issues have meant hours of time wasted on an issue that wasn't even at our end. Will check out Scaleway!

Strange. This was at least 5 years ago so perhaps it changed. I'm very happy with scaleway. They're a bit smaller and really easy to deal with IMO, you can ask them questions directly on slack and they don't look down on the small customer. I have 2 VPSes of the cheapest kind "Stardust" (1,80€ per month) and they're quick and friendly. They used to have 8-core atom servers that were a bit unstable, mainly due to the…

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Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by pushkine »

mrtksn wrote: post #237
hnhg wrote: post #41

I have such a strong reaction to news like this, it's hard for me to not think that it's appropriate for every member state to consider leaving the EU now. They've succeeded in shifting me to a very anti-EU stance in one proposed measure - brilliant! It wouldn't surprise me if the leaders of most states are quite keen on such surveillance though.

EU is not a foreign entity, it's made up of the governments of the members(some elected some appointed by the locally elected). So when you leave EU, you end up to live with the entity that tried to introduce it in first place. If they didn't wanted that, they could have blocked it. However, leaving EU might actually help the government to have a better localised excuse. For example, maybe child abuse is not a big th…

Your argument does not stand with e.g. France.

In France, there's an election for each. One for national parliament seats, one for EU parliament seats.

In the last decade, the national elections were usually won by center-left (Macron's party) while the EU ones were won by the far-right (Le Pen even has a seat at the EU parliament AFAIK)

Re: The EU Commission accepts high error rates when checking chats

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Post by 8note »

gloppers wrote: post #66
dathinab wrote: post #54

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It doesn't apply at all. If you get accidentally flagged as criminal it can easily destroy your live, without a years log curt case you might never get properly un-flagged even if you are innocent but then the damage is more then just done. Worse after wards the chance to again be attacked when you are innocent aren't that small because even if you get un-flagged the system is most likely remembering that you had bee…

What do you mean "flagged as criminal"? In EU we have the principle of innocent until proven guilty. No-one is criminal unless they have been through the process of justice. The scenario you are describing just isn't going to happen. I'm glad that the EU are proposing sensible and proportionate solutions to the thorny issue of paedophiles concealing their depraved activities online. The privacy activists have cried w…

I imgine the paedophiles are also concealing their activities in physal form too? It would then be reasonble to have a police officer strip/full cavity search everyone on their way in/out of their house.
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