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Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
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Re: Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
#32This twitter thread is excellent. Here are selected tweets to highlight the crisis from hospital and ambulance waiting times. --- "England & Wales as the only part of Europe that has recorded sustained and rising excess mortality over the last few months with no obvious natural explanation." "Patients who waited 8-12 hours had a 16% higher chance of dying in the subsequent 30 days than average." "This was after adjus…
As somebody else in this thread pointed out the numbers don’t stack up. This thread is subjective at best
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
"the US healthcare system is already collapsing" What do you mean by this, specifically? People not having insurance? Increasing deaths inside the hospital? Large numbers of people turned away from emergency rooms? I'm questioning this because with the exception of malpractice, the U.S. healthcare system seems to be working quite well, despite the large numbers of uninsured and those who cannot pay. I just don't buy…
People just love to talk about how horrible the US healthcare system is but my disabled daughter has never paid a dime for care in her life (in Kansas, of all places!) via Medicaid. Even her birth was free due to retroactive Medicaid. Her 9 months in the NICU was billed at over $2 million. Thanks taxpayers. I was having chest pains last week and got triaged within minutes at the ER. I’m pretty sure I “owe” them $500…
So socialised medicine works?
Re: Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
#34Sooo... are they trying to destroy HC so they can rebuild it as the monstrosity we have here in the USA?
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Can't wait for an ideologue to use the situation to push their partisanship into an unrelated conversation by projecting their actions onto their ideological foes.
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#36Someone should ask the guy to publish on a blog and link his twitter to it.
Sure, here you go: https://www.ft.com/john-burn-murdoch
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Not) Luckily the US healthcare system is already collapsing without social medicine, so it’s not a great talking point. Staffing and supply shortages paint a bleak picture over the next few years.
"the US healthcare system is already collapsing" What do you mean by this, specifically? People not having insurance? Increasing deaths inside the hospital? Large numbers of people turned away from emergency rooms? I'm questioning this because with the exception of malpractice, the U.S. healthcare system seems to be working quite well, despite the large numbers of uninsured and those who cannot pay. I just don't buy…
About 10% of Americans don't have medical insurance. That number has been fairly stable for several years, so it's not great but also not a sign of collapse.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-11-17-cdc-reports-uni...
Re: Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
#38They subtract COVID deaths from excess deaths to get the baseline, forgetting that COVID deaths were counted somewhat liberally, and some percentage of non-COVID deaths were counted as COVID deaths if someone was infected close to their time of death. This can be seen in the following chart: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor... (You need to change the "Metric" dropdown) If you compare exces…
> They subtract COVID deaths from excess deaths to get the baseline, forgetting that COVID deaths were counted somewhat liberally, and some percentage of non-COVID deaths were counted as COVID deaths if someone was infected close to their time of death.
If COVID deaths were counted liberaly and even after subtracting those inflated numbers you still have excess deaths, then that only further underlines their point that these excess deaths are not COVID-related.
Just because you think the criteria for counting COVID deaths were wrong doesn't make every conclusion based on those numbers incorrect.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
People just love to talk about how horrible the US healthcare system is but my disabled daughter has never paid a dime for care in her life (in Kansas, of all places!) via Medicaid. Even her birth was free due to retroactive Medicaid. Her 9 months in the NICU was billed at over $2 million. Thanks taxpayers. I was having chest pains last week and got triaged within minutes at the ER. I’m pretty sure I “owe” them $500…
So socialised medicine works?
If by "socialized medicine" you mean public option health insurance, then yes it does work. I'm willing to bet, though, that the poster you're replying to only received care from privately run hospitals/clinics, so calling it socialized medicine seems misleading.
Re: Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
People just love to talk about how horrible the US healthcare system is but my disabled daughter has never paid a dime for care in her life (in Kansas, of all places!) via Medicaid. Even her birth was free due to retroactive Medicaid. Her 9 months in the NICU was billed at over $2 million. Thanks taxpayers. I was having chest pains last week and got triaged within minutes at the ER. I’m pretty sure I “owe” them $500…
So socialised medicine works?
Hah, the world is complicated. I feel like me and my family are the worst case scenario in the health care system and it worked… pretty well aside from them wanting to give my daughter too much care she didn’t need.
The US basically has socialized medicine that scares naive/“honest”/conscientious middle class people into paying up to subsidize it. I suspect if we passed legislation tomorrow to make the US a single payer system it’d all fall apart. But I suppose we’ve managed to trick the US taxpayers into socializing medicine while letting them pretend we haven’t.