What if the government allowed private enterprise to open emergency clinics in times of great need? There are probably a lot of people who would be willing to pay out of pocket for medical care, especially in an emergency, if it meant getting seen sooner.
Collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week
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#22That is what people voted for...
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#23That is what people voted for...
I don’t buy that explanation. Democracy turned out to be easily manipulatable with large sums of money and media control. At this point, an average person can’t have much of an affect on how government is acting. Very few people can take a day off to protest, and even if they do, protests tend to be meaningless too. I’m not saying that average person is blameless but most of the fault lies with the ruling classes.
There are plenty of examples of billions being thrown at campaigns and barely even moving the needle (e.g. Bloomberg's $1B fight for the Presidential race where he didn't even get 1% of the vote).
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#24That is what people voted for...
This is not what the majority voted for.
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#25Any and all government bashing is almost a national sport and pastime at this stage. Throw in some numbers to try to prove your point and you’re going to be well received.
So there’s a lot of misinformation out there. Perhaps this Twitter chap is talking rubbish too.
For the record not saying our government is perfect but holy heck it’s hard to keep up with the negativity
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#26That is what people voted for...
No they didn’t. More people voted against the conservatives than voted for them, but due to the first past the post system they got a massive majority in Parliament and can do whatever they want.
In my opinion that was the defining moment that cemented the UK's decline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternativ...
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#27What if the government allowed private enterprise to open emergency clinics in times of great need? There are probably a lot of people who would be willing to pay out of pocket for medical care, especially in an emergency, if it meant getting seen sooner.
Private enterprises are already running a significant chunk of UK health care at the moment; the Tory government is dismantling the socialized health care in favor of short-term profit. It's not about whether people are willing, it's whether they can afford it or if they have no choice but to go into debt. Anyway, the NHS has also paid private clinics already because their own facilities are at capacity.
Let’s not overlook the aging population in the UK please. There are many more factors than simply “the Tories are to blame”
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Not) Luckily the US healthcare system is already collapsing without social medicine, so it’s not a great talking point. Staffing and supply shortages paint a bleak picture over the next few years.
"the US healthcare system is already collapsing" What do you mean by this, specifically? People not having insurance? Increasing deaths inside the hospital? Large numbers of people turned away from emergency rooms? I'm questioning this because with the exception of malpractice, the U.S. healthcare system seems to be working quite well, despite the large numbers of uninsured and those who cannot pay. I just don't buy…
I was having chest pains last week and got triaged within minutes at the ER. I’m pretty sure I “owe” them $500 for a previous ER visit which nobody mentioned during my stay.
My 65 year old uncle hasn’t had insurance in 20 years but when he got cancer three ago the social worker helped him sign up for disability and they got him on Medicare so fast your head would spin. He started chemo basically immediately and while his cancer is terminal the treatment has kept him alive for a long time, even longer than the doctors predicted.
My wife got billed $200,000+ for a visit in the hospital when she had a critical illness and almost died. She ended up paying $2000. This was more than ten years ago and it didn’t ruin her credit and nobody ever came after her for it.
And One more. The hospital messed up the billing for our first daughter’s birth and called us two years later saying we didn’t have insurance (we did). My wife said that was their problem. We never heard from them again or got a bill. I guess they just ate the cost? No idea. But it was over seven years ago and there were zero consequences and we never paid a dime.
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#29Someone should ask the guy to publish on a blog and link his twitter to it.
> I gave up blogging after decades because the ROI simply wasn’t there any more. Why spend hours on a post that will get hundreds of views when a tweet composed in minutes gets tens of thousands to millions?
https://twitter.com/carnage4life/status/1559852146601799683
And it’s the same with Scott Hanselman, who’s quoted in that tweet. Hasn’t blogged since last year, stopped after 20 years. He’s big on YouTube and Tiktok now.
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"England & Wales as the only part of Europe that has recorded sustained and rising excess mortality over the last few months with no obvious natural explanation."
"Patients who waited 8-12 hours had a 16% higher chance of dying in the subsequent 30 days than average."
"This was after adjusting for a huge range of possible confounders, i.e this was not due to those patients’ characteristics, conditions etc, but due to the length of the wait."
"You may have heard almost 30,000 people waited 12 hours in English A&Es in July, but that figure actually only refers to the wait after initial assessment"
"Thanks to @Rebeccasmt’s reporting, we know that if you include all time spent waiting, 100,000 people waited 12+ hours!!"
"Take ambulance delays, for example: for emergency situations including suspected strokes and heart attacks, the average wait for an ambulance to arrive on the scene is now one hour, and 40,000 people with these sorts of emergencies waited 2 hours last month."
"As before, the peaks in ambulance-related harms broadly coincide with peaks in England’s non-Covid excess mortality.
"It’s a grim picture, and an increasingly conclusive one."