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Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by CamperBob2 »

p1necone wrote: post #33
CamperBob2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Shrug) This is how hotel restaurants, including some very good ones, have always worked. What difference does it make what other ethnicities/varieties of food the restaurant delivers?

What? Hotel restaurants have always convincingly appeared to people as 20 different restaurants while operating at the same physical location? A place serving a lot of different types of food is not the same thing, it's still one restaurant and they're not making any effort to hide that from the hotel guests. The multitudes of different places at Disneyworld that all operate out of the same massive underground/hidden…

What? Hotel restaurants have always convincingly appeared to people as 20 different restaurants while operating at the same physical location?

Yes. Hotels with multiple restaurants tend to have only one kitchen, because why wouldn't they?

Again, I don't understand what's so offensive or controversial about this concept. I'm probably misunderstanding the objection.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by Barrin92 »

dangrossman wrote: post #6

> A single kitchen operating under many names to increase its algorithmic “surface area”; another shape of things to come. I find this infuriating. There's one dominican restaurant in my city that's listed on DoorDash, Grubhub and UberEats under over 20 different names with different subsets of their menu. All of these duplicate listings for the same place make it harder to search or browse the actual restaurant opti…

Seriously wonder why this isn't taken down. Should be pretty trivial given overlap of physical or payment addresses if they're registering the same restaurant several times on the same platform. Probably even possible to do it by hand.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by zone411 »

caseyross wrote: post #20

With the success of AI content generation for text (GPT-3 etc.) and images (DALL-E etc.), it seems inevitable that music will soon be targeted as well, if not already. What's particularly interesting in the music sphere is that there are already well-established trends towards building a sort of ambient, atmospheric, generated soundscape. (For example, the famous "Lo-Fi girl" stream.) AI-generated content is a very n…

Yes, it's inevitable. Some parts of this process are harder than than others, though. I think I've handled the hardest part, which is making catchy melodies (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578Y...). Live music is already over 50% of music industry revenue, so the transition could be a bit easier for musicians than for visual artists.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #41
p1necone wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Hotel restaurants have always convincingly appeared to people as 20 different restaurants while operating at the same physical location? A place serving a lot of different types of food is not the same thing, it's still one restaurant and they're not making any effort to hide that from the hotel guests. The multitudes of different places at Disneyworld that all operate out of the same massive underground/hidden…

What? Hotel restaurants have always convincingly appeared to people as 20 different restaurants while operating at the same physical location? Yes. Hotels with multiple restaurants tend to have only one kitchen, because why wouldn't they? Again, I don't understand what's so offensive or controversial about this concept. I'm probably misunderstanding the objection.

Do you truly believe those situations are equivalent?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by CamperBob2 »

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #44
CamperBob2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Hotel restaurants have always convincingly appeared to people as 20 different restaurants while operating at the same physical location? Yes. Hotels with multiple restaurants tend to have only one kitchen, because why wouldn't they? Again, I don't understand what's so offensive or controversial about this concept. I'm probably misunderstanding the objection.

Do you truly believe those situations are equivalent?

Uh, well, yeah?

I'm obviously missing something important in the argument you're making.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by yawnxyz »

tigerBL00D wrote: post #8
j-bos wrote: post #2

The post was interesting, but I also noticed something in the blog that had the same flavor. Even though the link was for a specific post, the page layout neatly flowed into another post. So smooth I thought the second post's title was a subheading of the original article. A strange thing, but maybe that's just me making connections that aren't there.

I listened to the playlist and it's definitely the same song over and over again with slight tweaks. Imagine finding dozens of blogs where posts are all the same, but with very slight changes to vocabulary used in each blog.

The "horn instrument" being reused in every song is a giveaway that they're using the same generator, without even changing the parameters of the instruments.

It's like they're basically using a fancy "arpeggiator" to generate these songs.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by indymike »

Barrin92 wrote: post #42
dangrossman wrote: post #6

> A single kitchen operating under many names to increase its algorithmic “surface area”; another shape of things to come. I find this infuriating. There's one dominican restaurant in my city that's listed on DoorDash, Grubhub and UberEats under over 20 different names with different subsets of their menu. All of these duplicate listings for the same place make it harder to search or browse the actual restaurant opti…

Seriously wonder why this isn't taken down. Should be pretty trivial given overlap of physical or payment addresses if they're registering the same restaurant several times on the same platform. Probably even possible to do it by hand.

If it generates revenue, it's not going down. There is absolutely no incentive at all to remove it. In fact, it gives the consumer more choices, and more ways to give money to the gig delivery service, and acts as a bulwark against being bullied by chains.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by p1necone »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #45
jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you truly believe those situations are equivalent?

Uh, well, yeah? I'm obviously missing something important in the argument you're making.

I think you kinda have a point when it's one physical location presenting itself as multiple different options whose food would never belong on the same menu together at a dine in restaurant in the first place.

Where I think it's shady is one kitchen pretending to be 10 different restaurants all serving the same type of food under different restaurant names, just to basically game the system into presenting them to more consumers.

The main difference between this and the hotel case is that when a business lists another "restaurant" on Uber Eats/Grubhub/whatever they're effectively taking away some advertising space from all the other restaurants on the platform. Whereas when a hotel adds another "restaurant" frontend to their kitchen, nothing really changes for all the other places in town. And it would be painfully obvious if one hotel opened up 10 nearly identical e.g. indian restaurants on the same premises.

TLDR: It's not possible for the practice to get to a predatory level in the physical world so it's less of a concern, even though it's fundamentally very similar.

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by vosper »

usednet wrote: post #28

People have been noticing this a lot recently but what nobody seems to know is that this is a form of money laundering/“scamming.” I know because I used to be active on crime forums and talked to some of the people who engineered this scheme. People will set up fake Spotify artist accounts with stolen identities and bank accounts, pay a musician for songs that pass as music, and then bot millions of streams on them.…

Is it money laundering in that "dirty" money pays for the bots that rack up the streams, which generates "clean" money paid from Spotify to the fake artist?

Re: An odd discovery on Spotify

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Post by vibrolax »

caseyross wrote: post #20

With the success of AI content generation for text (GPT-3 etc.) and images (DALL-E etc.), it seems inevitable that music will soon be targeted as well, if not already. What's particularly interesting in the music sphere is that there are already well-established trends towards building a sort of ambient, atmospheric, generated soundscape. (For example, the famous "Lo-Fi girl" stream.) AI-generated content is a very n…

In Orwell's "1984", a machine called the Versificator generated the music and literature for consumption by the proles.
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