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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.

The hard, spikey, jagged, foul tasting pill to swallow then: Society needs to pay directly for content.

Much of society either is paying or is willing to pay. Note that even in places that we _do_ pay, for example cable TV, we still get ads.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking. It indiscriminately pollutes the environment, and inflicts harm on non participants by incentivising unbridled data collection.

The hard, spikey, jagged, foul tasting pill to swallow then: Society needs to pay directly for content.

Not quite. A while back we used to pay for cable tv and the programming used to have tons of ads. Now, we assumed the premium you pay for Apple products was because 'you' were not the product, unlike say Android, but looks like with some clever marketing about privacy focus Apple was just building up their own ad business.

I think paying for content/product doesn't ensure you wont see ads, well perhaps it doea but until the company decides it needs higher margins.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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An update to my tv changed it from having a clean startup screen to give me ads for shows on network I don't have, and I hate it with passion.

Ironically they have a button that says I can customize the screen, which means I can add more crap, not take anything away.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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YouTube's advertising strategy is pushing me to get rid of my SmartTV, or at least find a 3rd Party solution to completely block the ads. I was completely fine with one or two 6 second ads randomly playing before a video, or during a lengthy video. Then they added 14 second ads, which was very annoying, but bearable since it's about the same length as the two short ads. But now they're advertising even if I simply op…

With YT I pay for Premium. With how many ads they throw in to videos now I find it very worth it.

Also, you get YT Music for free with YT Premium. I absolutely won't tolerate ad interruptions, but I find that with the amount of content, and utility, I get from YT overall, the family plan is quite a good value at $14.99/Month. Plus, YT Music recommendations are shockingly good. Probably the only recommendation engine I've experienced from any of the FAANG companies that consistently recommends new music I like.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm cancel…

It's the principle. This probably sounds over the top, but at some point it feels like they're saying they own you. You're paying them for one service, and they'll unilaterally decide it's not enough and they are going to make more money on you. But they don't do it via a price increase that gives you a fair opportunity to decide on the value exchange. They just start shoving this stuff on you. And worst of all, it's…

A lot of consumer-facing tech follows the same dynamic as an abusive relationship. "I want to know everything about you and who you talk to." "I decide what's best for you." "You can't leave."

I can't help but conclude that the engineers complicit with this are deeply broken people.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Maybe, maybe not. The mental effects of products optimized for delivering advertising don't seem to be great for people or society (see: Meta's products, Twitter, TikTok).

Cigarettes cause cancer. Some people (not me) actually get value from ads and AFAIK they don't cause cancer.

No direct cancer, no, they only affect what you think, feel, say, eat, drink and do.

Edit: also who you vote for, what laws are passed, who goes to prison, who lives and who dies. But no they don't _directly_ give you cancer.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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This is a hyperbolic article that doesn't reflect reality for most people.

I use my smart tvs for two purposes: 1) to use the native apps for streaming services (and I never get ads except the internal advertising of the apps themselves), and 2) to connect my personal devices (computers, game systems). The native apps are much more convenient than using an external device for my non-techy partner. I stream to another TV from my devices via HDMI and a switch.

For most "cord-cutters" that use only streaming services, I expect them to have similar ad-free experiences.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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> FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. Do they have tuners? I've heard many of those are missing them.

If this is a major concern for you, I think you'll be happy to hear that tuners are ridiculously cheap, with built in recording capabilities for under $30. I suspect if you're in the market for one of these pricier TVs and willing to pay the premium then the extra cost for an external tuner unit will be not be a major factor. For cleanliness you can attach it to the rear of the TV and use short cables.

I'm very happy with the Tablo tuner + dvr device. You can place it near the antenna, since it has WiFi. Then, you use it from a Roku/FireTV/etc app. It's more than $30, but they do sell refurb models. And you connect your own storage device, so no markup on space.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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For now, this appears to be feasible. And it will probably stay feasible as long as the number of people who do it is relatively miniscule. But economics being economics, we’re freeloading off the customers who hook their smart TVs up to the internet and provide manufacturers with enough revenue that they don’t care about us. But should the practice become widespread and manufacturers notice a material impact on thei…

> they will start embedding SIM cards in TVs that can’t be disabled There’s no need to start jumping at shadows here.

Sorry, but that's not 'jumping at shadows' but pretty much a given.
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