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The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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There is a much better option for HN crowd: Buy a large/modern computer monitor and connect it to your homelab’s media server. Literally there is no need for a smart TV so long as you are capable of setting up a small homelab.

Eh, I’d rather get that ad subsidy and never connect the tv to the internet

Bought a cheap HiSense TV for my kid to use as a big monitor.

It literally will not work for any input source -- including OTA TV -- until it has been hooked to a network where it can register itself.

It appears to work afterwards without a network connection... but I cannot recommend HiSense at all.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #57

> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm cancel…

Same.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #57

> Some may argue that there's no need to be dramatic and that there's nothing wrong in seeing an occasional ad every now and then. Oh, no, I am very dramatic about this. I will go to any lengths not to see advertising. I will entirely forgo any platform that shows me even one ad, especially when I pay them. Amazon Prime video is already pushing it with their preroll previews. The second it's something else I'm cancel…

Invasive advertising is a form of violence.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #137

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Don’t buy hardware from an ad company - problem solved. Why do you think Google got into the TV streaming business?

Sony and nVidia are not ad companies.

In fact that are. They are selling TVs cheaply subsidized by ads.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #109
post #87

FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. They're often found under labeling like "commercial digital signage" or "business display" or the like, they seem to often try to avoid using "TV" (if being cynical maybe to make them harder for normal people to discover and confuse them if they do). B…

However those TVs are not easy to get and, like you said, they come with an increased price. I couldn't recommend enough to buy an Apple TV (or equivalent) and block all Internet access to your "smart" TV. I did this and everything was instantly better.

How do you block internet if it will join open networks automatically?

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #123

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Disney+ is going to have ads? ... just googled it: So they are _adding_ a new plan that's cheaper and ad-supported, and they are not touching the current plans. So nothing will change for my current subscription plan thankfully. > Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available. and this: > What’s more, if the Disney+ profile being used is associated…

> Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available But it will not remain available at that price. Instead that's what the plan with ads will cost, and the prices of the current ad-free plan will be bumped up by 30%.

We all knew this was introductory pricing to weasel into the space. This was even the predicted timing.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #109
post #87

FWIW, it is still possible to get TVs without this stuff, albeit at a premium. TVs are still made for business usage in areas like conference rooms, wall displays etc. They're often found under labeling like "commercial digital signage" or "business display" or the like, they seem to often try to avoid using "TV" (if being cynical maybe to make them harder for normal people to discover and confuse them if they do). B…

However those TVs are not easy to get and, like you said, they come with an increased price. I couldn't recommend enough to buy an Apple TV (or equivalent) and block all Internet access to your "smart" TV. I did this and everything was instantly better.

>I couldn't recommend enough to buy an Apple TV (or equivalent) and block all Internet access to your "smart" TV. I did this and everything was instantly better.

I'd be worried that's a losing battle long term though (maybe even short/medium term?), same with other hacks like running your own DNS and blackholing ad stuff that way. At the ultimate level, cellular modules and fixed data plans are getting real cheap, and for that matter for those living in denser urban/suburban areas I've heard people saying some stuff seems to be extremely aggressive about grabbing onto any WiFi they can find. But I could definitely see a point where everything comes with its own 4G module just for advertising usage (and maybe firmware updates so they can hang a fig leaf of "easier, no configuration!" over it). If we start having to talk Faraday cages for our TVs that's really hard to get around. Even purely in software they could use fixed DNS IPs to bypass simple user DNS, DoH to bypass users then trying to force all DNS traffic through their own, VPNs, and all the other ways everyone normally try to punch through aggressive firewalling with.

You're right that at present it's often still feasible to get a hostile TV then neuter it. But I think it's better to just not have a fundamentally malicious device inside your setup at all if it can be helped. To me that's worth some money up front, and I appreciate that it exists.

At the core and unfortunately it appears data harvesting and advertising really is quite profitable, and in a further grim twist those trying to avoid it might be even more valuable than the average. Which means the margins may exist on something like TVs to make it worth it to amoral manufacturers to get fairly nasty. That's a hard race as everything gets more and more integrated, vs just rewarding those who don't do it. Or else get laws passed with enough fines to change the equation!

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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It’s not true. Disney+ is adding a lower cost ad free tier. The current plan doesn’t have ads.

Now. Just like when food companies sells the same package as before (or a slightly bigger version) as "now with 20% free product!" and after a few months, they remove the free product discount. Price increased, less people noticed it.

I’m sure people will notice if for instance HBO only sold a version with commercials after having an ad free product since 1980.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ is going to have ads? ... just googled it: So they are _adding_ a new plan that's cheaper and ad-supported, and they are not touching the current plans. So nothing will change for my current subscription plan thankfully. > Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available. and this: > What’s more, if the Disney+ profile being used is associated…

> Disney+’s ad-free subscription tier, which currently costs $7.99 monthly and $79.99 annually, will remain available But it will not remain available at that price. Instead that's what the plan with ads will cost, and the prices of the current ad-free plan will be bumped up by 30%.

And that ad-free plan will eventually have ads. Ads are infectious and will always spread uncontrollably once you let them in. Give an inch and they will take a lightyear.

Re: The downfall of smart TVs: From promises of seamless viewing to ad tool

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post #124

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Or just get any smart tv and add a android tv dongle . They don't cost much

Android TV now also comes with forced ads (since rebranding to Google TV). I was pretty upset when the very expensive Android TV gadget I bought (Nvidia Shield TV) specifically to have an external device without ads suddenly had them. They take up the upper third of the home screen.

What they did to the shield was a tragedy. It was so refreshing to have a device that I could completely customized to remove ads and suggested content. I don't blame Nvidia I think this is more on the Google TV side. I still think the shield is the best TV box on the market. I keep meaning to look into loading a different launcher that will let me go back to the old style.
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