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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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The island of Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China, and they will decide what to do with it and when. What Americans think, want or say is irrelevant.

The people of Taiwan disagree with your first sentence. The United States' military presence in the region disagrees with your second sentence.

Given the joke of US military whose proxies are being slaughtered in Ukraine, the bases and military presence do not mean anything. Yes, they can kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan or Iraq that's all good those morons are good for.

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The answer to that question could fill several books. Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia, and the mass addition of malware/spyware to chips meant for foreign markets. Rather than take my word for it, though, I encourage you to do some research on your own - preferably not entirely through Internet so…

Not just that. China claims a large part of the international sea by drawing a bullsh*t line on the map, bullies other countries in the area: Japan, Philippine, Viet Name, Indonesia, Brunei, ...

USA does the same but more, and I don't see calls to contain them.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

#573

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The people of Taiwan disagree with your first sentence. The United States' military presence in the region disagrees with your second sentence.

Given the joke of US military whose proxies are being slaughtered in Ukraine, the bases and military presence do not mean anything. Yes, they can kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan or Iraq that's all good those morons are good for.

People slaughtered in Ukraine by Russian nazis aren't "proxies", they are civilians. To a Russian this distinction might be hard to understand, but civilised countries generally try to fight armies instead of levelling cities. Note how civilian casualties in Syria were order of magnitude higher than in Afghanistan?

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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> Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia that's not hostility towards the west, that's simply China defending their interests, which is their prerogative. Taiwan is still formally and technically part of greater China, human rights violations are not rare in (an by) the US military and non military perso…

How is joint military exercises with Russia not hostility to the west?

>How is joint military exercises with Russia not hostility to the west?

Fun fact: the number of American components in Russian weapons is order of magnitude higher than the number of Chinese components: https://static.rusi.org/RUSI-Silicon-Lifeline-final-updated-...

So, I'm not sure which one is more hostile to Russia - in deeds, not words.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Not GP, but here are two more factors: * Xi Jinping's increasingly tight and authoritarian control * the upcoming demographic crisis in China: 1. its population will start shrinking (earlier and faster than assumed until recently), 2. the dependency ratio (proportion of non-working age population to working age population) will go up massively, 3. due to the demographic development (inverted pyramid), selective abort…

1/3 of men being incels caused by government policy isn’t going to go down well. Surely they can just import women though?

I'd assume that if they are given free choice, Chinese women are going to prefer husbands who do well in life. That would imply that the 1/3 of men who end up perpetually single are most likely poor farmers from the countryside, i.e. people without the means to travel abroad to meet someone there.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

#576

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1/3 of men being incels caused by government policy isn’t going to go down well. Surely they can just import women though?

I'd assume that if they are given free choice, Chinese women are going to prefer husbands who do well in life. That would imply that the 1/3 of men who end up perpetually single are most likely poor farmers from the countryside, i.e. people without the means to travel abroad to meet someone there.

I’m saying 1/3 of men being without women will lead to violence. Or an even more extreme police state than now. Or both.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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post #573

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Given the joke of US military whose proxies are being slaughtered in Ukraine, the bases and military presence do not mean anything. Yes, they can kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan or Iraq that's all good those morons are good for.

People slaughtered in Ukraine by Russian nazis aren't "proxies", they are civilians. To a Russian this distinction might be hard to understand, but civilised countries generally try to fight armies instead of levelling cities. Note how civilian casualties in Syria were order of magnitude higher than in Afghanistan?

You are welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want to believe. The point remains, PRC decides whats to be done with the island of Taiwan. And US interference will only lead to annihilation of US. As a citizen of the 85% of the world's population who have not sanctioned Russia, we are firmly supportive.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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> beating the US on that front anytime soon Current trends suggest otherwise, see PRC rapidly catching up and leading R&D and innovation indexes controlled by citations or quality in the last few years. > quantities are incomparable If anything US is at an substantial quantity disadvantage and slight to modest quality advantage. While US does absorb _some_ of the best global talent, those are also subsect of best wit…

I don't doubt what you're saying, although I'm not sure about the validity of the data derived on count of publications, since that's easily gamed. But what I'm saying is about immigration. I really doubt that the PRC will attract much STEM immigration in the future, at least in comparison to the US. As far as I can tell, the few dedicated folks who choose to emigrate to China do so despite an uphill battle and end u…

ON LKY and US, I feel consensus is US is geopolitically blessed and have all the institutions and instruments to preserve their primacy across many domains if they get their shit together. But also so blessed that it can coast along on current incompetence and past momentum fine for foreseeable future.

> count of publications

Refer to nature science index which collates from prominent western journals with contribution quality assessed by western experts. Or share of PRC science papers filtered/accepted through prestigious western academic conferences in variety of (STEM) domains. Or number of researchers in US/western R&D of PRC origin. There are many indicators that comport with dramatic increase in PRC science competence in recent years that shouldn't be dismissed as pressure to publich / gaming the system but PRC highered reforms finally paying off.

>immigration ... attract talent

I understand, my point is with the population denominator involved, PRC is generating more talent than US can attract. Quantity has a quality of it's own, meanwhile the proportion of quality among mass quantity is constantly being improved. I also think notion that US drawing from global talent is overstated, PRC is drawing from domestic population that accounts for 20% of global population, apart from fringe minorities, everyone in the system speaks Chinese. Meanwhile, US is realistically drawing from 13% of world that speaks English / has english fluency. One stat I recall is by 2030 PRC will have ~3.5/10 of global stem graduates, Indian ~3/10, US ~0.4/10, EU ~0.8/10. Gut guestimate is eligable pool of talent US can actually draw on is not substantially larger than PRC has domestically. That said, intuitively I do feel diversity of talent is important, but I can't really articulate why.

As for hunches on PRC lack of attractiveness for immigration, imo basically true but also misses the point. PRC incentives aren't structured around golden citizenship tickets, but good compensation + access to resources. Look at PRC poaching entire teams of TW and SKR semi engineers by paying them 3x market rate, and building SKR talent churches, basically bribing them with perks knowing full well these are get rich quick limited contract schemes. Or consider PRC thousand talent program with generous perks which work(ed?) pretty well at attracting foreign academic talent, strategically drawing "sea turtles" - Chinese diasphora scientists in premiere western institutions with all the language+culture reprequisits to work in PRC. Pay them lots, give them a well funded lab, it's an easy sell. Work(ed) because it's a tap western policies is attempting to turn off (US China Initiative, TW trying to ban semi talent from working in PRC due to national security). But it's not because PRC is "unattractive", PRC has money, money is very attractive. Ergo PRC geopolitical competitors need to draft literal legistlation to undermine/outlaw strategic talent from working in PRC. In TW's case because they literally can't afford to pay their semi talent well enough to compete with PRC money firehose.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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> They see it as an obvious weakness in their ideology that companies can just walk away from their labor movement and go elsewhere. it's true! we can't force anybody to use our labor. but we can control access to our markets. you don't have to be a union activist to recognize that exporting american manufacturing jobs has been disastrous for our domestic working class.

> you don't have to be a union activist to recognize that exporting american manufacturing jobs has been disastrous for our domestic working class You do though. The reality is that "exporting" these jobs means cheaper products for everyone, and no one in what you call the "working class" wants these jobs to be in the US if it means they need to pay more for everything. The US consistently manufactures more every yea…

> and no one in what you call the "working class" wants these jobs to be in the US if it means they need to pay more for everything.

look at a graph of productivity measures since 1990, a graph of real wages, and a graph of US GINI scores. i'm a knowledge economy worker like most people here, but we have been on a course of serious class warfare and economic cannibalism for decades. but thank you for letting us know that everybody actually wants it this way.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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post #573

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People slaughtered in Ukraine by Russian nazis aren't "proxies", they are civilians. To a Russian this distinction might be hard to understand, but civilised countries generally try to fight armies instead of levelling cities. Note how civilian casualties in Syria were order of magnitude higher than in Afghanistan?

You are welcome to believe whatever nonsense you want to believe. The point remains, PRC decides whats to be done with the island of Taiwan. And US interference will only lead to annihilation of US. As a citizen of the 85% of the world's population who have not sanctioned Russia, we are firmly supportive.

Again, couple of months ago one could say the same about Ukraine and Russia. Then Rashists spectacularly lost the entire western front.
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