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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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I've read a medical research paper about the resurgence of some nasty parasitic disease in Israel with the breakdown by religious community[1]. Turns what? The stricter the dietary laws for the community were - the less infections occurred. And we're talking about sheep here, which is similar in size to pig. There are might be a confounding variables here though, i.e. some communities are mostly urban, others are mor…

There's the racial component as well. For instance Spaniards (ethnic Visigoths) have near-total immunity to bad pork, whereas Jews (Jewish Diaspora, ethnic Jews) are very vulnerable. Think of it this way: if there was a public service announcement by the early Jews, where would they write it down?

That's not racial immunity, it's probably an alcohol-induced "immunity" or resistance.

Visigoths probably drunk much more alcohol than Jews, which is a good disinfectant. In the old times it was even part of the soldier rations in some armies.

Some Visigoths converted to Islam and migrated to Morocco, but even after their conversion they still had a reputation of heavy drinkers.

For 10 years I was a pescetarian, until one time I tasted a beef carpaccio, and it was both edible and tasty (before that I wasn't even thinking about meat as a food). So I started eating raw meat dishes like steak tartar, but I always drunk a shot of something strong for safety, until one day I understood that it's unnecessary.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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If insects were such a valuable and risk free source of nutrition wouldn't we see a lot more human cultures eating them? They've been around forever, but somehow we share a mostly common disgust for eating bugs. Is it farfetched to assume that perhaps that disgust allowed us to survive.

They're not a practical food source. They're hard to farm, they taste bad, they're subject to predators, etc. There are lots of cultures that eat a few insects but I've never seen a single one that gets >33% of their daily protein from insects. The human gut produces chitinase but I don't know how it would react to tens of grams of chitin per day.

There Is a more interesting way to utilize insects as food… By cultivating them and turning them into chicken eggs.

We are experimenting With various forms of maggot farms and meal worm farms which are then fed to our flock of chickens, which turn those food and energy inputs into eggs.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

> Lastly, disgust is a part of the human immune system. This is the most important bit. Too many "rationalists" who otherwise preach evolution all the time forget to notice that our sense of disgust is also evolved just like everything about us for the purpose of survival and reproduction and is not just some annoying irrational quirk that gets in the way of doing the right thing.

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Insects are the food of the future. So glad to live in the present.

We'll all live in megacorp apartments eating crickets and own nothing but subscribe to everything.

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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1) Because I don't want to, and 2) because my enemies want me to.

Really? Enemies? You genuinely think people want you to eat less meat because they're your enemy ?

middle-class american urban yuppies who've given up on McD a few months ago and now insist the rest of us should follow suit? not the enemy, just their useful idiots.

global elites with their private jets, yachts, islands and castles preaching to us unwashed masses to tighten our belts and lower our expectations as they bring about the end to our peace and prosperity? yes, absolutely, they are my enemy - and yours, if you can see past your nose and realize these people don't give a flying fuck about the environment, social justice and all the other bullshit.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Soy exists and is a complete protein.

Is it? Every time vegan/vegetarianism or carnivore diets come up, it’s always a massive debate on whether suplimental proteins are any good.

Yes, it is.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19145965/

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

I once heard (not sure if it's true) that the Islamic rule for not eating pork was mostly a practical one, because at the time the rule was formulated it was easier to get sick from eating pork relative to other meats.

This is the justification for pork bans in the Jewish Kashrut as well. Also why a lot of people are pretty lax on the pork-eating part nowadays

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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The importance of this subject is underestimated and applies as well quite independently of whether humans eat the insects directly or not. Consider the cuban tree frog for example, which has long since initiated its campaign in Florida to host and spread throughout the food chain the rat lungworm nematode. Rat lungworm (angiostrongylus) holds its own in the burgeoning presence of hideous and hostile parasites. It is…

... just because I'm bored:

The importance of this subject is underestimated and applies as well quite independently of whether humans eat the insects directly or not.

Consider the cuban tree frog for example, which has long since initiated its campaign in Florida to host and spread throughout the food chain the rat lungworm nematode. Rat lungworm (angiostrongylus) holds its own in the burgeoning presence of hideous and hostile parasites. It is highly infectious to many species and no picky eater, as it favors the entire body of the host, the brain and all.

Burmese pythons are another up and coming host in Florida, and while they might prefer a provincial life in the everglades, many other species will meander north and onward.

There are other nasties from nematodes to cestodes and more, gaining new ground. Baylisascaris procyonis is another terrible nematode found almost anywhere in the US, mostly in racoons, but in other species (humans included) with more varying and less frequency and it's often incurable.

A study showed that, if I remember correctly, 40 out of 250 wildlife rehabilitation personnel had been exposed, but symptoms varied by exposure load. Both rat lungworm and baylis ascaris are resistant to environmental elements that normally break things down, with baylis even surviving UV light, formaldehyde and extreme cold. Rat lungworm can be deposited on surfaces (eg vegetables), and snails are common vectors.

Lungworm is very difficult to remove by washing while baylis is so adhesive that wildlife control authorities advise disposing of rather than washing shovels or tools exposed to racoon latrines. The list goes merrily along with other nasties, but it would require time to refresh my memory and accurately describe more.

... the conclusion I got: don't move to Florida.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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post #196

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HN has always been tolerant of this kind of fringe, it comes with the territory of its (right) libertarian bent. The fringe just didn't have as much political potential until a few years ago and has been emboldened to be more open about its views. They've also had years to test out ways to be open about their beliefs while hiding behind a guise of "civility" or "curiosity" and spreading blatant lies only to discard t…

> They've also had years to test out ways to be open about their beliefs while hiding behind a guise of "civility" or "curiosity" and spreading blatant lies only to discard them and move on to the next talking point when caught. Now who's engaging in conspiracy thinking?

I'm talking about well-known phenomena that can readily be observed in online debate culture and social spaces over the past decade:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sealioning-int...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

I'm not sure what you think this has to do with "conspiracy thinking". I'm not saying this is an organized effort. While particularly rowdy online communities do organize via places like 4chan (and its various even less palatable siblings) and KiwiFarms, the shift on HN can much more easily be described by looking at how fringe politics generally spread in online spaces. Innuendo Studios' video series "The Alt-Right Playbook"[0] is worth a watch if you are new to this concept.

Heck, Jordan B Peterson wildly holds celebrity status at this point and for the longest time his interview strategy consisted of making general statements implying political positions and then accusing the interviewer of putting words in his mouth when those positions were challenged. Literally "just asking questions" and "stating facts" (which even with proper context were not always actually true, e.g. the entire lobster thing was based on the assumption that lobsters and humans react the same way to the same biochemical reactions).

Right-wing fringe groups have been talking about various flavors of "red pilling" since before "alt-right" even became a thing. Even before "GamerGate" (which shifted a lot of young male gamers towards extremely far right views) you'd hear the concept in the "Manosphere" (i.e. MGTOWs, PUAs, MRAs and so on) to refer to "the truth about gender roles" (sexual market value, female promiscuity, but also "true facts" like male suicide rates but always presented as part of a misogynist narrative yearning for some imagined patriarchic past based on 1950s advertisements). The idea has since been refined to the point that "red pilling" has moved from simple "truth bombing" (i.e. plainly citing factoids supposedly supporting the narrative) to "just asking questions" (see above) and "it's just a joke" (hence the phrase particularly popular among online antisemitic white ethnonationalists: "when the joke really lands", i.e. when you no longer see it as an edgy joke but as the truth).

Your use of the term is an interesting reversal of the accusation of "conspiracy thinking" by the way. The term is usually used to describe "anti-establishment" accusations of "powerful elites" (Rothschilds, WHO, George Soros, Bill Gates, whatever) conspiring to control the world. Even the actual Nazis spread conspiracy theories about "international bankers" (or simply "the Jews" when civility was not required) being "in control" and blaming the economic collapse and the loss of WW1 on them.

What I'm claiming is far more mundane:

1. Far-right extremists and right-wing fringe people exist.

2. At least some of them are online and hang around in the same spaces as normal people do.

3. At least some of them understand that if they just open their mouths and plainly state their views they'll be banned from those spaces.

4. At least some of those still want to either state or advertise their politics in those spaces in ways that won't get them immediately banned.

5. At least some of those succeed in doing that.

Of course this requires acknowledging that ideologies exist and people can hold genuine political views rather than simply looking out for their own financial gain. And historically liberals (and libertarians) have a track record of not being able to comprehend this or to believe "bad politics" (i.e. ideological opposition) is just a matter of not having access to enough information (e.g. "white supremacists only hate brown people because they don't understand how immigrants benefit the economy").

This post by the way is a perfect example of why these tactics work:

1. You replied with a single short sentence that probably took you no time.

2. You broadly dismissed everything I said without pointing out any specific claim as wrong or giving any actual argument I could respond to, making it hard to falsify without "rambling".

3. You didn't directly attack me or what I said (e.g. "That's conspiracy thinking!") but instead merely implied a statement by asking a rhetorical question, thus appearing more civil without changing what you actually wanted to say.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xGawJIseNY&list=PLJA_jUddXv...

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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post #139

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They used the German terms. Are you arguing about early translations? Basically, just because the words are constructed the same, doesn't mean you can translate one direct part-by-part into the other. For a similar example of the principle that logical structure doesn't translate naively one-for-one: "Du darfst schlafen." "You may sleep." "Du musst schlafen." "You must sleep." "Du darfst nicht schlafen." "You must no…

Dare is a model verb too in English

*semi-modal (I meant to type modal originally), but not originally a cognate with dürfen.
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