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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by steve_adams_86 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

ikiris wrote: post #102

devX3 wrote: post #88

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I mean it's raw but still in a steak you probably have way more substances and end of foodchain accumulations.

Oooo SUBSTANCES. THERE MIGHT BE SUBSTANCESSSSSSS.... please stop with the weasel scare words.

This is actually a serious issue that’s ruining food supplies (particularly in the oceans). Farmed catfish in the USA has been noted for high levels of dioxins. US chicken often contained crazy levels of arsenic until agricultural practices changed to avoid that. Broth made from bones often contains more lead than the daily allowable intake (something like 475% more in the case of broth made with chicken bones, skin, and cartilage present, but still far too much when using just the meat).

We are exposing ourselves to dangerous substances every day due to bioaccumulation in animal foods.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by klyrs » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

trinachi wrote: post #253

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #195

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I thought the generally accepted science was that humans can learn disgust reactions socially, so that they are more adaptable on a non-evolutionary timescale. > The disgust system is a psychological mechanism for producing pathogen avoidant behaviour [10–12]. In previous work, we have stressed the universality of disgust, showing that there is much that is similar about disgust responses between animals and humans,…

There's a strong cultural component when it comes to disgust. People in many parts of the world eat insects regularly as a part of their standard diets. In the US, most people don't think of honey or lobster (aquatic arthropod) or carmine (red food coloring) as "insect food" but these items most definitely fit in that category and are commonly consumed. In the past, people in the west found yogurt, sushi, and lobster…

> Some disgust reactions are hard-wired (e.g. reactions to fecal matter or vomit), and others are culturally learned.

Curious if you've got a source for that, because I've lived with 3 infants and every one of them was delighted by the squishiness of poop and needed to be taught that disgust response.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by california2077 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #210

mypastself wrote: post #204

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The article was removed from the website after the uproar, 4chan crazies or not. It’s preserved here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s... The author later clarified they were predicting a possible future, “for better or for worse”. They didn’t outright deny they supported that specific idea, though, nor does it directly contradict WEF’s stated goals (although it’s on a much shorter timelin…

So the secret conspiracy is clean energy, self-driving taxis, protected environment, and more leisure time due to increased automation? And when intentionally publishing the plan for this secret conspiracy, on their website, cunningly disguised as a fictional take on the near future, they accidentally left in bits where they worried about digital surveillance which luckly the anti-semites on 4Chan noticed, and saved…

>So the secret conspiracy is clean energy, self-driving taxis, protected environment, and more leisure time due to increased automation?

I agree. It's completely idiotic. Clearly, all those billionaire, industrialists and politicians have our best interests in mind. They simply want a better future for all. They would probably be more inclusive in their decision-making, but it's just that an average person out there is too dumb to make any important decisions.

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Post by selimthegrim » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:30 PM UTC

eru wrote: post #139

robocat wrote: post #80

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> how unconscious is now commonly used Freud and Jung used the term unconscious (das Unbewusste) - it is probably not a recent trend.

They used the German terms. Are you arguing about early translations? Basically, just because the words are constructed the same, doesn't mean you can translate one direct part-by-part into the other. For a similar example of the principle that logical structure doesn't translate naively one-for-one: "Du darfst schlafen." "You may sleep." "Du musst schlafen." "You must sleep." "Du darfst nicht schlafen." "You must no…

Dare is a model verb too in English

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by throwaway4aday » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:30 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #210

mypastself wrote: post #204

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The article was removed from the website after the uproar, 4chan crazies or not. It’s preserved here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/s... The author later clarified they were predicting a possible future, “for better or for worse”. They didn’t outright deny they supported that specific idea, though, nor does it directly contradict WEF’s stated goals (although it’s on a much shorter timelin…

So the secret conspiracy is clean energy, self-driving taxis, protected environment, and more leisure time due to increased automation? And when intentionally publishing the plan for this secret conspiracy, on their website, cunningly disguised as a fictional take on the near future, they accidentally left in bits where they worried about digital surveillance which luckly the anti-semites on 4Chan noticed, and saved…

Nice of you to cherry pick the "good" stuff from the article. The things people take issue with are being forced to rent everything from some unknown overlords who now are the only ones allowed to own anything. You're also required to share your personal accommodations with others. Apparently money is not allowed either since no one actually pays rent but they do work so it's some version of "from each according to their ability, to each according to his needs"

> we don't pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.

It also posits that anyone who does not submit to this regime is simply left to rot in the countryside. Implying that they live the equivalent of 19th century life probably with no electricity, running water, or medicine. Sorry, you don't get any technology if you don't want to be a serf.

> My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages.

Living in this society also apparently means that everything you do or think is recorded and that it can be used against you, presumably by the people in power should your behavior ever displease them.

> I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

And apparently a whole lot of people died on the way to this utopia.

> We lost way too many people before we realized that we could do things differently.

No wonder a lot of people reacted poorly to this but I think that was the point. They wanted to do a limited hangout to gauge public reaction to some version of their envisioned future. That allows them to manage the blowback by saying it was just a silly article after which they delete it and then paint all of its detractors as racists and right wing nutjobs which is SOP at this point.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by chihuahua » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

helpfulmandrill wrote: post #239

comradesmith wrote: post #134

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Now my mind is wondering if insects could be a source and transmitter of prion diseases. Perhaps the proteins in bugs don’t line up with humans though.

Why would this be any more likely than other animals?

Perhaps because insects are more evolutionally distant from humans, than mammals for example. That doesn't mean that it's true, but this could be why someone migh assume that it's true.

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Post by steve_adams_86 » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:33 PM UTC

Shorel wrote: post #73

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #55

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I’ll pick the salad over the steak any day, though. Above all I’d love to see better technology and attention for food safety, though. It’s stunning to see how many people suffer from food born illness today — something I’d thought was far more under control up until my mid 30s. It’s better under many circumstances and I’m not going to pretend it’s anything like it has been in the past. However, we could do much, muc…

And I would pick pork ribs over those two any day. Cooking has been our food safety technology for millennia. Even for milk, pasteurization is a way of cooking it.

You can’t cook away many risks associated with meats, though. There are many problems such as red meat being a probable carcinogen, bio accumulation of fat-soluble chemicals that are harmful to humans, and inflammatory responses which make it hard to justify eating it.

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:37 PM UTC

verisimi wrote: post #248

TuringTest wrote: post #162

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There are two main reasons why religious books of law ban certain behaviors: - to encode social and higienic rules as understood at the time - to signal heressy, prohibiting a common practice carried out by heretics (double points if it is a practice central to those heretical beliefs). For religions originating in the desert where meat spoils quickly, it makes sense to ban those kinds of meat more prone to transmiti…

So certain. I guess you were there...

We have lots of written history that validates his generalization and zero reason to believe that peoples who's records did not survive would have done those same things for different reasons.

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Post by throwaway4aday » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

mrpopo wrote: post #172

fzfaa wrote: post #141

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If you are worried about that, then raise your own meat and stop complaining about "elites". Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right.

In order to raise meat you also need land, tractors, and fertilizer which also seem to be targets of the Davos attendees.

> Too many people take the current consumption society for granted. It is not a human right.

It isn't a privilege granted by our rulers either, in fact it's the very thing that everyone is working to maintain so why shouldn't we enjoy the fruit of our labor?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Post by drjasonharrison » Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

comradesmith wrote: post #134

nivertech wrote: post #109

Larger animals can be inspected individually to find pathogens or diseases. Insects are so small that it's practically impossible to inspect each individual organism. You can do sampling of the batch, but the odds of missing bad ones are still high. Same with the fruits and vegetables, some are easy to inspect, others are almost impossible, or impossible to clean. There are kosher (insect-free) versions of lettuce an…

Now my mind is wondering if insects could be a source and transmitter of prion diseases. Perhaps the proteins in bugs don’t line up with humans though.

This might explain how wild deer develop prion diseases. My understanding is that they aren't eating the nervous tissues of other animals but perhaps an insect, parasite, or other lifeform is providing the infection.