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Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by atwood22 »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #371
atwood22 wrote: post #361

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So your point is that you can’t call out an instance of slavery unless you call them all out? That doesn’t make sense to me. You should be able to highlight an issue without someone retorting “what about X?”, which is literal whataboutism. Everybody is a hypocrite on almost every issue. Take a major issue like climate change. Almost every human in the U.S. and Europe has massively large carbon footprints. Does that m…

Again, the point was never that you have to be perfect, it’s that it’s shouldn’t just happen to perfectly align with Americas foreign policy agenda.

Why is it not ok to align with American foreign policy? I guess you’re implying that Americans are ok benefiting from other forms of labor exploitation? Why does that matter? Going back to the climate change example: everyone benefits from GHG emissions. Allowing arguments to be derailed by “NO U” is a quick way to stifle all discussion.

To me, your argument, fully constructed, is: “you can’t care that Uyghur’s are enslaved because America also uses slave labor and American foreign policy is anti-China.” How is that an argument?

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by __rito__ »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #472
tim333 wrote: post #468

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Slightly off topic but a youtube "DIY man built his own yacht with scrap materials in just 90 days" https://interestingengineering.com/video/yacht-scrap-materia... was cool and reminded me of the guys who fixed my scooter in Vietnam for about 30p a time.

Lots of Americans in Vietnam now. Vietnamese people have also seem to have embraced American culture wholeheartedly. The gastronomic results of the mix have been fantastic. Vietnamese food is already amazing but there are now a ton of food joints that use Vietnamese flavors and southern style bbq techniques for some truly spectacular results.

Comments such as this should be illegal.

I have had Vietnamese, I have had BBQs. And I loved both. Now, my mouth is watering for BBQ with Vietnamese flavor.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by trasz »

SassyThrowaway wrote: post #454
88840-8855 wrote: post #432

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Ukraine is just collateral damage in this proxy war. Not more.

It's a "collateral" damage to lives of 40+ million people, which I suspect many people find a tad too high to treat it just as a statistic.

The actual collateral damage will be the Russians. Ukraine will get better, meanwhile Russia is unlikely to survive in its current shape - and when Moscow gets cut off from from easy money from parasitizing on its colonies, it will crash terribly - much worse than in 1990, because back then Russia still had allies; now even China doesn’t want to cooperate; it complies with sanctions and is dropping strategic investments.

In a way, this is a proxy war - against China, at Russia. Western response means Russia has no future with the West and has to pivot to China. This would give China advantage, so I think it’s unlikely for US to preserve Russia in a shape that could be useful to China as an ally.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by abudabi123 »

coffee_beqn wrote: post #267
nkingsy wrote: post #2

Doesn't seem far enough away or nuclear armed enough to be a very good backup plan.

Vietnam is the most proven country at defeating a super power militarily.

Westmoreland's Operation Fracture Jaw got canned by elite circle in politics and the rest is Rambo Hollywood history boomer tears in beers.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by thatguy0900 »

roguas wrote: post #481
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A noble move for those willing to dare.

Why nobody does that? For me a lot of stuff is in the pudding, if something is great surely there would be one non-fiat backed country succeeding.

Cia seems to be a pretty big reason.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by throwaway2037 »

kennend3 wrote: post #482
bovermyer wrote: post #465

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The answer to that question could fill several books. Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia, and the mass addition of malware/spyware to chips meant for foreign markets. Rather than take my word for it, though, I encourage you to do some research on your own - preferably not entirely through Internet so…

Others missed a few great US examples. U2/SR71 spyplanes overflying other countries. This alone is considered "an act of war". what would the US do if someone flew over their country on spy missions? Then there is the absolute rampant lying about things. U2 is shot down, US president is told that should this happen the pilot wont survive. Surprise, Gary Powers is alive and the USSR exposes the US lies to the world. "…

You wrote: >

True, 20+ years ago. Today: Spy satellites that can hide and re-position on-command. "Spy planes" are mostly Tom Clancy'esque fiction these days, at least from the perspective of over-head visual light photography. (Radio signals monitoring is a different segment.)

Then you wrote: >

False. There is no single, absolute defintion. In my experience, the Internet is "full of" posts like this one. Words and deeds are two very different things in the Real-Politik World View. Ultimately, no words matter until the "first shot is fired". See China's recent behaviour around Taiwan. Still, not a single shot fired, but a lot of potty/bully talk. (BTW -- I highly recommend China's PR mouthpiece "Global Times" as a parallel equivalent of "The Onion", vis-a-via US-China relations. Their English is but one step above Kim Jong-Un/NK media.)

Finally, you wrote: >

In the current context, the US military will probably trap the spy plane mid-air (surround with fighter jets) and force them to land in US (or US-friendly) territory. The pilot(s) would be captured as enemy combatants, similar to other spy planes downed over enemy territory over the last 75+ years. FYI: China did this in 2001. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

As a thought experiment (and I do think this will happen one day): What if China parks an aircraft carrier "one meter" outside US territorial waters (East or West coast), then runs constant military exercises, 24x7, for months and months? Think more brazen: What if Chinese military jets were speed-running over Midtown Manhattan during day light hours "daring" the US military to escalate? It can, and will, happen in our lifetime. Maybe London/Tokyo/Sydney too.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by aydnina »

bovermyer wrote: post #465
trasz wrote: post #442

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So how is China hostile?

The answer to that question could fill several books. Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia, and the mass addition of malware/spyware to chips meant for foreign markets. Rather than take my word for it, though, I encourage you to do some research on your own - preferably not entirely through Internet so…

The island of Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China, and they will decide what to do with it and when. What Americans think, want or say is irrelevant.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by jimbokun »

koheripbal wrote: post #484
jimbokun wrote: post #326

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Before or after they were majorly influenced by the West?

Right, but now you are talking about history. It's like calling our numbering system, the arabic numbering system. Sure - that's where it comes from historically, but now it's just OUR numbering system. Calling democracy a "western" ideology makes it sound like it's not as relevant to eastern cultures - which is silly because it's now practiced widely in east asia.

Yeah, it's important to distinguish the two concepts.

The philosophies and ideas are of Western origin. But implementing those ideas is not restricted to people ethically descended from people from Western countries.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by aNoob7000 »

pjmlp wrote: post #475
bovermyer wrote: post #465

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The answer to that question could fill several books. Among more recent events are the human rights violations, the increasing saber-rattling about Taiwan, the increasing joint military exercises with Russia, and the mass addition of malware/spyware to chips meant for foreign markets. Rather than take my word for it, though, I encourage you to do some research on your own - preferably not entirely through Internet so…

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I'd take the United States versus China any day of the week.

People keep making China out like they some kind of benevolent dictator. Keep in mind that all the shit talking everyone does on Hacker News and other sites is a no go in China. Ask Jack Ma about how well things go when you go against the China's CCP.

Re: Vietnam to make Apple Watch and MacBook

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Post by philistine »

smoldesu wrote: post #364
philistine wrote: post #330

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It is getting tiring to hear the same lies over and over again on this site. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. Show me a clear proof that Apple's performance per watt is reliant to a 200% improvement on the 5nm process. Perhaps I can point you in the direction of the A13 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A13 ), Apple's last 7nm chip. Apple claims their subsequent 5nm node (A14) is 40% more perform…

7nm is considerably less dense than 5nm, since it's increased size compounds across two dimensions. That being said, A13 was indeed on 7nm, as well as the A14x they put in the dev kit. I don't think those benchmark numbers would be competitive against 3D Cache Ryzen or current Alder Lake offerings. Furthermore, I question how far Apple will be able to push Apple Silicon. As we've seen with the M2, when Apple can't ge…

You have in no shape or form supported your claim that Apple gained 200% in performance per watt due solely to the 5nm process.
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