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Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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post #136

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

You can get parasites from eating meat too, you know

Calling people idiots (as OP did) is unnecessary, but do we really need whataboutism?

The point here is that insects are proposed as a new, high volume source of proteins, as a way to reduce meat consumption.

Humans have fairly good understanding of parastites, bacteria etc related to meat. And have established routines for raising animals and preparing meat to minimize the problems.

As far as I know, humans have not the same level of knowledge, nor processes related to mass production and consumption of insects.

The paper shows that there are substantial parasitical risks with eating insects. Something, at least as far as I am aware, is not generally known or talked about. Importantly things like applying heat (cooking), which generally works to reduce problems with meat, according to the artible, seems NOT to be effective against parasites in insects.

Let's focus on that discussion.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#152

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Weren't the crickets prepared? E.g., roasted?

Chapulines are not eaten raw, like most bugs they're fried or toasted in a pan or comal, but the study shows that parasites may survive that. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapulines

The study clearly says that cooking them significantly improves the safety, what’s your source?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#153
post #131

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Also, exponential from the social adoption input alone. Popularization has reached meme status virality(exponential by default).

Probability is bound to be between 0 and 1. It's a bit hard to fit an exponential in there.

Still a period in which the increase in probability function could exhibit an exponential rate of growth though right?

At 1 we are all dead as well right?

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#154
post #138

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

I don't think disgust is "innate". A typical English person finds squid disgusting, but is happy to eat various kinds of cheese, including ones like Stilton with mould on them. Someone in Japan, on the other hand ... Also, everyone has heard at least one story of a young child eating an earthworm they found in the garden. It seems to be only after seeing the reaction of older children and adults that they learn to fi…

> I don't think disgust is "innate".

Sure it is. Did someone have to teach you not to eat shit? Or green meat that smells like death? Certain smells and physical appearances trigger reactions in our bodies that tell us "stay away." That there might be certain groups of people that act in contrary ways is an exception, and doesn't disprove anything.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#155

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

Have you ever witnessed an animal being slaughtered? I have an innate disgust reaction to that too.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#156

I don’t get why it’s so hard for people to just stop eating animals.

Because eating animals is generally safe, people are omnivores and meat can be quite delicious.

I for one will not stop eating animals, even though WEF (and by extent politicians and mass media) will push people to eat bugs.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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post #73

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And I would pick pork ribs over those two any day. Cooking has been our food safety technology for millennia. Even for milk, pasteurization is a way of cooking it.

I often wonder if our lack of exposure to pathogens and parasites have anything to do with the extreme rise of auto immune diseases.

I think everything is a balance.

If you as a human have been exposed to an extremely "clean" environment, your immune system will not have had the opportunity to get trained and strong. So you might get a severe infection at the first opportunity.

However, the other extreme can be very bad. I wouldn't recommend living in a lush tropical forest without any protection from novel viruses and bacteria spread from all kinds of insects and other vectors. Your body may not be able to take that kind of bio-warfare against it.

So, the million dollar question is: How much should we train our immune system by exposing ourselves to the natural environment and how much should we protect it?

Different people will put themselves on different sides of this spectrum.

The "middle" ground is of of course the best, some self-exposure to natural environment and some self-protection. But it is difficult to quantify this "middle" ground and that is why we have many of these arguments.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

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post #133

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster, crab and other seafood. Modern society needs to go beyond animal instinct.

> Just decades ago people in the West had the same reaction to lobster,

Aversion to lobster was an American phenomenon, lobsters have been considered a delicacy in coastal communities around Europe since the Roman era, possibly earlier than that. In the American north-east, people were initially averse to eating lobster because they were originally from inland parts of Europe and didn't know much about seafood. But they did figure it out as they developed their own coastal palates.

We've all been living alongside bugs this whole time. If they were good to eat, they'd be popular by now.

Re: Edible insects role in transmission of parasitic diseases to humans (2019)

#160

Don’t eat the bugs. You have an innate disgust reaction to bugs and to the idea of eating them. It evolved over millions of years. Heed nature’s warning. They only eat bugs in places where it was historically necessary due to extreme famine. These activists trying to get you to eat bugs don’t have your best interests at heart. Eat meat. It is one of the great liberties man enjoys.

Meat is murder Tasty, tasty murder

>Meat is murder

So are bugs. It’s also worse because you have to kill more of them.

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