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Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by FooHentai »

blfr wrote: post #17
jfax wrote: post #14

I'm reminded of how under in the UK a person was made to do community service after making a tweet.[1] Obviously not as steep of a sentencing, but a prosecution nonetheless. I only point that out because reading these headlines now doesn't make me feel protective of liberal democracy, it only makes me despair of a global trend. 1. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...

Britain is famous for convicting a guy who got his dog to do the nazi salute. And they just don't stop, they arrested a tweeter the other day along with a guy who filmed the first arrest. https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-commu...

The nazi dog was in Scotland, this is in England. they are different legal jurisdictions.

Edit: England, not Britain.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by fauntle »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #42

Coming to America as well - look up Ricky Vaughn. Trial run on a deplorable, your ticket will get called eventually.

As stupid as it is, there are legitimate legal complaints against him, namely advertising that votes could be texted to a certain phone number.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by croes »

siva7 wrote: post #11
jiggawatts wrote: post #4

Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…

Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.

Strange, the US newspapers that wrote articles based on WikiLeaks leaks won prices.

And WikiLeaks isn't the leaker but the publisher of that leaks.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by nohuck13 »

FooHentai wrote: post #51
blfr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Britain is famous for convicting a guy who got his dog to do the nazi salute. And they just don't stop, they arrested a tweeter the other day along with a guy who filmed the first arrest. https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-commu...

The nazi dog was in Scotland, this is in England. they are different legal jurisdictions. Edit: England, not Britain.

Scotland occupies the northern third of the island of Great Britain.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by ybaervervys »

FooHentai wrote: post #51
blfr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Britain is famous for convicting a guy who got his dog to do the nazi salute. And they just don't stop, they arrested a tweeter the other day along with a guy who filmed the first arrest. https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-commu...

The nazi dog was in Scotland, this is in England. they are different legal jurisdictions. Edit: England, not Britain.

Solid pedantry attempt, but missed the mark.

Scotland is a part of Britain. Scotland is not part of England nor Wales, but Scotland, England, and Wales are all part of (Great) Britain.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by kodah »

whiddershins wrote: post #12
chitowneats wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans like to pretend that we fight for higher ideals than naked self interest or national interest.

Americans fight for ideals all the time. Individual Americans do, and this includes individuals in government. It is true to say that much that is represented as being about ideals is really something else in disguise. And there is rampant corruption and so forth. But it takes cynicism too far to say that ideals never factor in. There are many principled people with ideals having impact in the world every day, and th…

I like to think of it as, collectively our ideals are a compass. We keep heading North but it doesn't mean we don't get lost walking in circles. It also doesn't preclude that sometimes when we think we're heading North we're actually heading South. Making a mockery of our ideals is like making fun of someone for carrying a compass or dating to shoot an azimuth. Unfortunately a good amount of people inside the US and out like to do that.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by zeraynor »

random314 wrote: post #35
whiddershins wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans fight for ideals all the time. Individual Americans do, and this includes individuals in government. It is true to say that much that is represented as being about ideals is really something else in disguise. And there is rampant corruption and so forth. But it takes cynicism too far to say that ideals never factor in. There are many principled people with ideals having impact in the world every day, and th…

> Americans fight for ideals all the time The US government, post ww2, fights for Corporations in the NATO axis that benefit from a particular regime being in power in a particular country. Sometimes these regimes are democratic, other times they are not. The ideals are kool aid to sell to the public to garner support for war. For eg, US has toppled democracies in Haiti and Iran to support corporate interests. It sup…

It's neither all "freedom and democracy" nor all "ruthless greed". Your post feels like kool aid in "ruthless greed" direction.

Government decisions are made by human beings in positions of power. Being in a position of power, such as the president of the United States, is a balancing of owns personal beliefs/morality and the interests of the United States. The composition of those components and the position of the pendulum in that balance varies depending on who you are.

Your position supposes nobody with ideals becomes members of government or that members of government somehow compartmentalize American cultural ideals/identity. Plenty of hypocrisy abounds, no doubt, but your take is overly cynical.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Post by dm319 »

Bolkan wrote: post #40
jiggawatts wrote: post #4

Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…

Anyone knows what she actually tweeted?

I've read it was 'finally!', in response to an official tweet about a launch of some public buses. This was in 2019, and it seems like she got some abuse from a guy in Saudi, who is believed to have reported her using some kind of Saudi app for doing this.

https://theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/17/saudi-arabia-snitc...

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