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Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…

Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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There is no hypocrisy there, like everything in life, including startup life, everything comes down to money. And money is power. The US created the Saudi Arabian powerhouse we see today. We need them to keep our economic inertia moving forward at a pace acceptable for the populace. Is it a travesty? 100% But we made this bed.

Americans like to pretend that we fight for higher ideals than naked self interest or national interest.

Americans fight for ideals all the time. Individual Americans do, and this includes individuals in government.

It is true to say that much that is represented as being about ideals is really something else in disguise. And there is rampant corruption and so forth.

But it takes cynicism too far to say that ideals never factor in. There are many principled people with ideals having impact in the world every day, and there is nothing enlightened about deriding their efforts or pretending they don't exist.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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We don't throw people in prison for 3 decades over social media posts.

We do if they would contain magic words that make them run afoul of the plainly unconstitutional Espionage Act

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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I'm reminded of how under in the UK a person was made to do community service after making a tweet.[1] Obviously not as steep of a sentencing, but a prosecution nonetheless. I only point that out because reading these headlines now doesn't make me feel protective of liberal democracy, it only makes me despair of a global trend.

1. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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post #11

Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…

Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.

Not really. Leaking state secrets isn't a crime under US federal law for people who have no security clearance. Julian Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg...

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…

But the threshold for upsetting people in power varies. So this sed doesn’t give us any extra insight or predictive power. For example I can say “The Jewish people upset the Nazi party in Germany during WW2”

I don't understand the comparison. The Nazis weren't very subtle about how upset they were with Jewish people.

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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I'm reminded of how under in the UK a person was made to do community service after making a tweet.[1] Obviously not as steep of a sentencing, but a prosecution nonetheless. I only point that out because reading these headlines now doesn't make me feel protective of liberal democracy, it only makes me despair of a global trend. 1. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/31/23004339/uk-twitter-user-...

Britain is famous for convicting a guy who got his dog to do the nazi salute. And they just don't stop, they arrested a tweeter the other day along with a guy who filmed the first arrest.

https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-commu...

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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We don't throw people in prison for 3 decades over social media posts.

We can just refer to the social media posts as "material support to a terrorist organization."

Re: Saudi Arabia sentenced a woman to 34 years in prison for tweeting

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Americans like to pretend that we fight for higher ideals than naked self interest or national interest.

Americans fight for ideals all the time. Individual Americans do, and this includes individuals in government. It is true to say that much that is represented as being about ideals is really something else in disguise. And there is rampant corruption and so forth. But it takes cynicism too far to say that ideals never factor in. There are many principled people with ideals having impact in the world every day, and th…

I believe the thread was about the behaviour of governments, not individuals. Principled and idealistic individuals exist everywhere, including Saudi Arabia as the article shows.
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