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Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by pandaman » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:31 PM UTC

dismantlethesun wrote: post #119

lettergram wrote: post #30

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

I almost prefer overt racism to what happens in the USA. My friend had gotten married was looking to buy a house, and his wife having a lot of trouble driving out to a location only to hear it was off the market. So he decided the he would take some of the burden from his wife, and visit places after work himself. Fortubately, he didn't coordinate this well enough so he ended up going to some off the same places as h…

I am curious about the technical details. Your friend's wife walks into an open house, perhaps with a sign outside, there is an agent with cookies and leaflets inside and the agent tells her the house is off the market and he or she is just chilling there for no reason at all?

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by lettergram » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

bhupy wrote: post #52

lettergram wrote: post #30

Every time I hear “America is racist” I remind people the world is far more racist - see story above. This is common practice everywhere. Europe, Asia, etc. they discriminate for different reasons and in different ways, but they all do it and it’s almost always overt. That’s the culture in the region, imo it’s not “wrong”. People self-select and who am I to discriminate against their culture? They do it for their rea…

Yup, minority here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable living anywhere except the US, Canada, the UK, and maybe ANZ. The Anglo-world in general is far more welcoming to people of color than anywhere else. I'm sure I could be comfortable wherever I am in the world, but it would be extremely difficult for me to thrive and see myself in a position of leadership (either in the private sector or the government) anywhere outs…

People on the right in the US tend to say everywhere in the world has ethnicities underlying their social fabric. America has a constitution.

That’s part of why you see such frustration on the right when people oppose things listed in the constitution (gun rights, censorship of any kind, etc). In their world view, it’s an assault on America. It’s why they call the left un-American. It’s also why the left in the US always refers to “our democracy”, in their world view the US is a “multi-cultural democracy” (not a constitutional republic - which it technically is).

Both parties tapping into the same mojo

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by starkd » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:44 PM UTC

amrangaye wrote: post #191

starkd wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. Any body can understand it. It's a basic human empathy characteristic. Telling people they are not in a position to know anything about it, is merely an attempt at thought control by disregarding their opinions. It's not really a discussion.

I don’t think this is correct. Just yesterday I was thinking about the many brave white people who fought as abolitionists to end the slave trade, risking their lives. But they could never truly understand what it was to be a slave, because they went home at the end of the day, whereas the slaves were not only forced to work without pay, they were also bred like horses, with the “strongest” ones forced to mate to mak…

So, what's your point? Do they need to actually suffer in the same way in order for justice to be achieved? Because that's the implication he is essetnially driving at. The important thing is those abolitionist recognized a moral wrong for what it was and strove to counter it. To insist in such a way that they can never understand not only invalidates their efforts but only tries to set the stage for some kind of further remediation. But maybe that's their aim, to make sure it is never ultimately remedied and preserve the well of victimhood. How else can you read that.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by amrangaye » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #203

amrangaye wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is correct. Just yesterday I was thinking about the many brave white people who fought as abolitionists to end the slave trade, risking their lives. But they could never truly understand what it was to be a slave, because they went home at the end of the day, whereas the slaves were not only forced to work without pay, they were also bred like horses, with the “strongest” ones forced to mate to mak…

So, what's your point? Do they need to actually suffer in the same way in order for justice to be achieved? Because that's the implication he is essetnially driving at. The important thing is those abolitionist recognized a moral wrong for what it was and strove to counter it. To insist in such a way that they can never understand not only invalidates their efforts but only tries to set the stage for some kind of fur…

You’re making it either / or and it’s not. I can feel sympathetic to the Uyghurs, fight for their rights, canvass my representatives, donate to charities etc.

But I (a black African man) can never truly know or experience what the average Uyghur goes though day to day, because I just haven’t lived it.

So no, when we say that, we are not “excluding” anyone - in fact the more allies a minority has, the more likely they will achieve equality. But lived experience is different.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:53 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #85

bhupy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, minority here, and I wouldn't feel comfortable living anywhere except the US, Canada, the UK, and maybe ANZ. The Anglo-world in general is far more welcoming to people of color than anywhere else. I'm sure I could be comfortable wherever I am in the world, but it would be extremely difficult for me to thrive and see myself in a position of leadership (either in the private sector or the government) anywhere outs…

I think we have a biological tendency to be somewhat racist, but among every person that I've met who could be classed as being marginally racist, usually they do not really mean the things they say. Nearly every one of them will create an exception once they have a reasonable conversation with someone from another race. I say, marginally racist, because I have never met a full-fledged racist (in U.S. here). Peronall…

No, sorry, no. When you put two children together at age 3, they play together, skin color is definitely out of consideration.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by starkd » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:54 PM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #188

starkd wrote: post #164

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My main concern is that people are not held back because of it. At some point, everyone needs to develop an innate resiliance (a thick skin) in how they deal with negativity. I think that, in the U.S. at least, there is a greater danger of a social thought-police where people feel like they can't say what they think. When my grandmother was dying in a hospital, she had some dementia. I don't think she ever uttered a…

> greater danger of social thought-police People are concerned about existing as they were born as well. I think those people are less concerned about whether or not your grandma can be honest about her feelings towards black people. > I don’t think she uttered a racial epithet to anyone in her whole life I’ll start by saying this is an assumption and likely untrue. As previously stated, lots of people who are racist…

Their existence can not be negated by inner thoughts or insults. My only point is much of racism is reflexive and most of the time not acted on in any measurable way. I've heard many other instances of people using racial epithets or politically incorrect jokes that are nothing more. People generally find a way to get along and don't like to waste energy on unnecessary strife if they can help it.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #189

starkd wrote: post #182

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First, Derek Chauvin was prosecuted, and not just because there was video evidence. Every time a black person gets shot by the police (even when it is justified) we still know about it. There have been other such situations that were investigated. They are not ignored. Second, George Floyd was not "lynched". It's even debateable if there were even racial motivations to the case. He ultimately died of a fentanyl overd…

> He ultimately died of a fentanyl overdose, and there is video evidence he was out of control at the time. Neither of these things are true.

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Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by starkd » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #189

starkd wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, Derek Chauvin was prosecuted, and not just because there was video evidence. Every time a black person gets shot by the police (even when it is justified) we still know about it. There have been other such situations that were investigated. They are not ignored. Second, George Floyd was not "lynched". It's even debateable if there were even racial motivations to the case. He ultimately died of a fentanyl overd…

> He ultimately died of a fentanyl overdose, and there is video evidence he was out of control at the time. Neither of these things are true.

It was a debate in the trial, but the presence of drugs can not be ruled out.

"An autopsy found methamphetamine and fentanyl in Floyd’s system at the time of his death. Investigators also found pills contained methamphetamine and fentanyl inside Floyd’s SUV and the backseat of a squad car officers tried to push him into.

"Schleicher pointed jurors toward the testimony of a forensic toxicologist who found fentanyl levels were “well below the ratio” of people who die from an overdose and a “very low” level of methamphetamine in blood taken from Floyd at the hospital."

https://apnews.com/article/trials-us-news-death-of-george-fl...

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by TMWNN » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

starkd wrote: post #122

spywaregorilla wrote: post #100

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> Nearly every one of them will create an exception once they have a reasonable conversation with someone from another race. An exception like "oh well you're one of the good ones"? > I have never met a full-fledged racist (in U.S. here). Peronally, I think they are a very small insular group, if they exist at all. Talk to old people if you want some disappointment then.

The "exceptions" is where racist attitudes get broken down. It creates the cognitive dissonance. It doesn't happen right away, but its a significant step in the right direction. Yes. This includes most "old people". A lot of the talk an jabs or using racial epithets is superficial when you get right down to it. At least, in my experience.

>The "exceptions" is where racist attitudes get broken down. It creates the cognitive dissonance. It doesn't happen right away, but its a significant step in the right direction.

This is why I've never liked the notion of sneering at those who say "some of my best friends are race/ethnicity", as if that is proof of that person's irremediable evilness. Isn't it a good thing for people to, however superficially or insincerely, consider "exceptions"? To put another way, if people instead said "I consider race/ethnicity to be 100% bad", would this be better? Of course not.

Re: Sorry, your wife is Indian, landlord won’t rent to you

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Post by starkd » Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

rascul wrote: post #190

starkd wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, Derek Chauvin was prosecuted, and not just because there was video evidence. Every time a black person gets shot by the police (even when it is justified) we still know about it. There have been other such situations that were investigated. They are not ignored. Second, George Floyd was not "lynched". It's even debateable if there were even racial motivations to the case. He ultimately died of a fentanyl overd…

> He ultimately died of a fentanyl overdose No, two autopsys and a jury determined that he died from a knee on his neck.

Not so clear cut. The forensic expert Michael Baden said there was drugs involved.

https://apnews.com/article/trials-us-news-death-of-george-fl...