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>we decided to abandon the current path of using X11/KDE desktop components and write from scratch a new UI that will align better with our goals. A very early UI on the new WindowServer is starting to take shape as of 2022-07-27. I get the desire to avoid X11, but why write a GUI from scratch instead of using Wayland?
Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so…
> […] double-clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically […] This behavior is called “Zoom”, and it’s defined per-application by that application. You could change that system-wide to minimize. > […] when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. Yes, the application hasn’t quit. You’ve only closed its last window.
To further expand on this, this is also application-defined behaviour. The application can choose whether it wants to stay open or close. This is no different from Windows (e.g. closing a Spotify window will just minimize it to taskbar), it's just that Cmd+Tab by default shows all running applications, whereas Win+Tab/Alt+Tab on Windows by default shows open windows.
Does MacOS really have that finesse they try to emulate? First thing I noticed when I started using a mac is that double clicking the Finder titlebar only expands it vertically while every other app expands both vertically and horizontally. Second thing, when I close a window and then press Cmd+tab, the icon is still there, and if I select it nothing shows up. There's more of these everyday things that work sloppy so…
If I want the app closed, cmd+q / alt+f4. Repeated cmd+w / ctrl+w shouldn't also close the app (IMO).
Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles.
I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this.
Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is.
I think this is something of a red line through Mac/iOS: The preference of unclear user interface that "looks good" instead of a clear interface that communicates with the user.
I've used Mac for years, and still don't know what the yellow button does.
I like the idea of this new OS, but please make better design choices that Apple :-)
Enough of those half-assed attempts at an "OS". Either use Windows with WSL2, or Debian, or FreeBSD with some GUI, or MacOS. Regardless of what OS you use - you will be using a Browser, Terminal, File Manager and VS Code/Rider/Visual Studio, emacs/vim. GASP Enough of this distro hopping - it is the moder-day procrastination.
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Yeah, FOSS culture is unfortunately neither very good at design, nor attracting good designers for collaboration. Many engineers don't even respect design and/or designers.
That is because designers usually tend to push for "making stuff easy for users" by removing options, whereas engineers tend to like to expose everything configurable so that power users can customize the application to their optimal experience. I think that "old school Windows" aka Win95-Win7 (where you could still use the classic Windows UI) and "old school MS Office" was the perfect balance between "keep it easy e…
Yeah, although I think product managers are worse offenders. I think neither extreme is good. Customization is important but hard to get right, and creates rigidity and burdens for developers as well. One thing that engineers ignore, is the cost of mandatory customization or learning curves. Most users, even technical ones, may never get around to customizing so the defaults are more important than the full set of options. And engineers often underestimate the importance of sensible defaults. Google, for instance, had entire products that people didn't know about because they couldn't make users aware of them, despite them being free and good.
> "old school MS Office" was the perfect balance between "keep it easy enough for users to get started, with clear visual distinction to aid them"
I think that was an extremely cluttered UI, far more than saturation the attention of a new user. But otherwise I agree that hiding everything in menus or omitting features is not the solution either.
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Yeah, FOSS culture is unfortunately neither very good at design, nor attracting good designers for collaboration. Many engineers don't even respect design and/or designers.
If FOSS culture is bad at design, then one could imagine it being beneficial to just blindly copy an existing good design
Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
I didn't notice the misaligned logo until you pointed it out (but I'm a guy who prefers 'ugly things that work ' rather than 'unusable junk that looks good') What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles. I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is. I…
Minimize. That’s what the yellow button does. It’s as simple as clicking it once.
Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
I didn't notice the misaligned logo until you pointed it out (but I'm a guy who prefers 'ugly things that work ' rather than 'unusable junk that looks good') What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles. I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is. I…
Ex graphic designer here, but don't (and never have) used Mac. I highly respect this project and initiative, and the following is more a commentary on my own reaction than your product. I read the title--finesse of MacOS. I open the link, and the first thing I see at the top is the circular raven logo vertically misaligned with the header on mobile. That made me think, okay let's try desktop version instead, so I swi…
I didn't notice the misaligned logo until you pointed it out (but I'm a guy who prefers 'ugly things that work ' rather than 'unusable junk that looks good') What I did notice though was th first screenshot with the red, yellow, green buttons of osx window titles. I think this is a really bad design, and I don't understand how people can like this. Sure, nice round "buttons", but very unclear what their purpose is. I…
But that involved portable thousands of hours interviewing and videotaping regular people trying to use Windows and then addressing issues found.