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Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by dolmen »

nikitaga wrote: post #13

At this point, "Consistent shortcuts" is the main "feature" keeping me on MacOS. Cmd+, opens preferences in every app. Cmd+[ or ] goes "back" and "forward", in every app that has those concepts Cmd+Shift+[ or ] switches tabs, in every app that has tabs, except a handful of stupid chat apps who think they're too good for it. Cmd+W always closes the current tab, if the app has tabs, (or current window, if the app has n…

Consistency????

"[" on AZERTY french keyboard requires to type Option+Shift+5

"]" on AZERTY french keyboard requires to type Option+Shift+)

I can't even imagine how the equivalent of Cmd+[ could be a "shortcut".

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by wsc981 »

f1shy wrote: post #160
still_grokking wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, the good old "rewrite the world" approach. Good luck to the developers!

I will never understand the people think you can never do a fresh start (in software, but not limited to it). Many very successful projects started as a green field. Sometimes I would even go so far as saying they would have failed if the had tried to build onto the existing code base. Also important to note: there is no "start from 0" most likely the work will be based on existing work, the ideas, code, or parts, mo…

“Write one to throw away” was a concept in one of the tech books I read. Perhaps The Pragmatic Programmer or maybe The Mythical Man Month.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by dang »

weikju wrote: post #7

Looks like this is a rebrand from the Airyx project that was posted before [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068542

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

A macOS-like operating system based on FreeBSD - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28087092 - Aug 2021 (67 comments)

Airyx OS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28068542 - Aug 2021 (254 comments)

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by mschuster91 »

JacobSeated wrote: post #64

KDE is a better desktop environment than MacOS, by far. I have had so many usability issues with my Mac that does not exist in KDE/Linux. E.g. Apple confining the GUI and not including basic functionality. Specifically: - I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly - some windows on mac are always on top, preventing access to other windows. E.g. Password dialogs for encrypted hard drives.…

> I really miss a decent address bar in finder that can be edited directly

Press Command-Shift-G and it will appear as a small window. (I haven't figured out how to do this in a "Open/Save File" dialog, so if anyone can chime in, greatly aprreciated)

> "Cut" does not work for files in finder, severely complicating moving files

It's annoying that there is no shortcut equivalent, but if you need to actually move a file either drag and drop it, or press Option while right-clicking in the target Finder window - the menu entry will change from "copy here" to "move here".

> The Maximize button does not maximize, but instead enters full screen, meaning that I never use it

Yuck, yeah. Very irritating. Use SizeUp, well worth the 13 US$.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by adastra22 »

kristjank wrote: post #179
adastra22 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What distro works more reliably than ubuntu?

Literally every one, including Fedora, openSUSE (both Leap and Tumbleweed), Debian, Linux Mint, Manjaro, Void, Arch and Gentoo with their respective derivatives. Ubuntu is a mess that introduces config-breaking changes every release and rides the already existing market. If Canonical tried to release their products nowadays without their track record and existing user base, they would never succeed. The peak Linux ex…

Definitely not my experience. I install an Ubuntu LTS release and I get 5 years of support with updates that never break anything. No doubt people have issues, but I've never encountered a problem during a security update that was not caused by my own previous mucking around. Rolling releases, on the other hand, are a nightmare for this, and smaller distros never work out of the box in my experience.

If you're saying upgrading between releases causes problems.. well that's true but not how I read the original statement, and not something I particularly care about. Each release is a different product and there's no reason to update until support is dropped on the one you're currently using.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by mschuster91 »

klabb3 wrote: post #155
pjmlp wrote: post #151

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And still they will perform better than any FOSS attempt to clone their work.

Yeah, FOSS culture is unfortunately neither very good at design, nor attracting good designers for collaboration. Many engineers don't even respect design and/or designers.

That is because designers usually tend to push for "making stuff easy for users" by removing options, whereas engineers tend to like to expose everything configurable so that power users can customize the application to their optimal experience.

I think that "old school Windows" aka Win95-Win7 (where you could still use the classic Windows UI) and "old school MS Office" was the perfect balance between "keep it easy enough for users to get started, with clear visual distinction to aid them" and "allow power users to work as well", and that was a large part of why MS Windows and MS Office became so utterly dominant. Only when MS started to go bonkers with Vista and then the disasters that followed from a design perspective, users suddenly started to look for alternatives.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by kryptiskt »

justthinkhn wrote: post #54

This is a dead end. FreeBSD, lmao. Why not choose Linux, which supports way more hardware and features. Not promising for the general quality of decision making.

FreeBSD is a modern performant OS with broad hardware support. I don't know what feature you had in mind, but FreeBSD comes with kqueue and has largely the same core utils as MacOS, which isn't a lot but why not take the free wins you can get? Not to mention that if they manage to pull this moonshot off, porting the resulting work to Linux would be utterly trivial in comparison. So ingrained Linux fanboys don't have to worry, if this becomes a thing, they'll get in on it.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp »

kelnos wrote: post #173
pjmlp wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To have the full experience they also need to clone the Objective-C and Swift frameworks, and IDE tooling.

The GNUStep project has already done much of the ObjC framework cloning. I wonder if they're using that. Not sure about Swift frameworks, though.

If what you understand by macOS is how Panther used to be.

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by dmix »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #5

> built with our core technologies of Cocoa, Qt, and Mach Does this mean a mach emulation layer on top of or in the freebsd kernel?

> ravynOS uses a patched kernel with support for Mach, just like xnu, and a compiler suite that supports Frameworks and has preliminary support for Mach-O

Re: RavynOS – Finesse of macOS, freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by SantiagoElf »

Enough of those half-assed attempts at an "OS".

Either use Windows with WSL2, or Debian, or FreeBSD with some GUI, or MacOS.

Regardless of what OS you use - you will be using a Browser, Terminal, File Manager and VS Code/Rider/Visual Studio, emacs/vim. GASP

Enough of this distro hopping - it is the moder-day procrastination.

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