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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Yeah I guess so but we (americans) also have to worry about healthcare and having (basically) no parental leave etc so always kind of figured it wasn’t as good as it sounds. Open to interpretation maybe. Was under the impression Australians are paid very well in comparison? Like pretty good minimum wages and holidays - in addition to lucrative trades work. Just have personal experience to vouch for his though.

Most tech companies here have 3-4 months of parental leave and have free or nearly free healthcare. High value workers in the USA are the best compensated in the world by a wide margin. Other places are better for low value workers.

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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I completely agree with your conclusion, this is why I feel that European tech companies can't compete with US ones at all. They just refuse to pay enough to attract the best engineers.

Having worked in both US and Europe I think this is very much less about average engineer and much more about engineering management and product management. There are many excellent software engineers in Europe already, and they are generally OK being paid much less than in the US. But the strategy, ambition, and execution discipline imparted by management are not there, so folks end up being underutilized there. The…

From my limited experience, I think in bigger European companies (not 10-20 people tech startups) you will have people with little to no technical background doing the domain research and the managing of engineers. I've worked in a French company which calls itself a "tech" company, but upper and middle management was purely people with a controlling, legal, or MBA background.

The engineers working there were great, but criminally underused, because you had only MBAs in product owner roles who spent their time dreaming up products or features with absolutely no idea of feasibility. Like the time one of them presented their idea that the company should "create something like Facebook" to make customers stay on the company website longer. Or the constant requests why the engineers wouldn't consider using "AI" in the company's React Native reporting app.

They were probably trying their best, but the problem was the company's culture of engineers being merely tools to execute the ideas of non-tech people. When we asked for POs or managers with an engineering background, the reply was always along the lines of "they don't know the business, so they don't understand our customer's needs".

Accordingly, it always took months even for very small features or changes to make it past the "agreeing on the requirements" phase, because there was no tech person high up enough in the hierarchy to tell the dreamers straight away that they're living in a phantasy world.

I wonder if car makers have similar problems, i.e. old school car industry guys trying to manage software engineers.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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We're protecting jobs you see. People need jobs to survive, so we have to protect the jobs, not the people. By giving companies money.

Too bad, so sad. They can adapt or die. Reminds me of a back and forth I had with an NYT staff writer who claimed it was "inhumane" to expect people to totally relearn a set of skills every ten years. People seem to forget that how they "feeeeeeeel" doesn't matter. The job market dictates what you do and don't have to do, and we live in a time when you must consistently learn new skills to be competitive.

> Reminds me of a back and forth I had with an NYT staff writer who claimed it was "inhumane" to expect people to totally relearn a set of skills every ten years.

It is inhumane to expect people to relearn their skillset every decade on their own dime and time.

It's rare enough that companies pay for small-scale training - a full retraining is pretty much unheard of.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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That’s an interesting observation that I hadn’t considered. My enthusiasm for EVs has been pretty unmitigated previously. I still think climate is important enough that dealing with the safety stuff is probably tractable and also the lesser evil, but it’s good to have line of sight on it.

Unmitigated ? Are you not worried about the infrastructure impact of doubling the weight of most classes of vehicle?

My e-bike weighs a lot less then the car it replaced.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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FWIW Ford was hiring around this area (southern Ontario) for software engineers to work on their in-car systems like this. Not sure if this specific one. From what I've heard they were woefully underpaying. A friend of mine talked to them -- very qualified; like me he worked on similar touchscreen, interactive display type systems at Google/Nest, and had a general background on similar systems, and on QNX, etc. They…

As a candidate who turned down an offer, I can confirm they were not even hitting the margins.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Having worked in both US and Europe I think this is very much less about average engineer and much more about engineering management and product management. There are many excellent software engineers in Europe already, and they are generally OK being paid much less than in the US. But the strategy, ambition, and execution discipline imparted by management are not there, so folks end up being underutilized there. The…

Yes, in the industry Euro engineers are considered to be generally high quality and underpaid. A good value. The danger being there are awful ones too that are hard to fire. In my experience Euro devs are really good though if you interview well. Individual contributors from Europe are generally a great value. Euro managers however are generally thought to be of extremely low quality and unreliable as well as 20-30 y…

Sad to hear. What differences did you notice?

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>Mazda is apparently taking the right approach here -- increasing the tactile buttons on the dash and console, and ditching touchscreens. Huh? After using both Ford's (2022 Explorer) and Mazda's (2022 CX-7) infotainment systems recently for several weeks, I couldn't disagree more. Android Auto and CarPlay interfaces were designed for touchscreen control. Mazda forcing the use of a wheel, like a joystick is a safety h…

The truth is you really shouldn’t be doing anything apart from adjusting the A/C while driving. It’s all dangerous to do, whether it’s a touchscreen or buttons. Everyone does it, but nothing will make it safe.

In this case, looking into side mirrors is dangerous, but not looking into them is also dangerous. Thus driving is dangerous, but walking is dangerous too, so better to sit in a safe room away from the dangers.

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We're protecting jobs you see. People need jobs to survive, so we have to protect the jobs, not the people. By giving companies money.

Won't somebody think of the meta-people?!

i.e. the corporations!

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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As much as you can't afford a home in the US, you wouldn't be able to afford to buy a home in Europe even harder.

A flat in a nice part of Barcelona can be had for €300k.

Most spaniards can't pay that. Even a large portion of devs.

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Despite the general online sentiment, it's important to realize that the average American makes an absurd amount of money compared to their global peers. Even adjusting for PPP and other factors, average disposable household income for the US - a nation of 340M people - blows the doors off Luxembourg, Switzerland, Norway, etc. [1]. What's more though, median disposable income per capita ALSO places the US at the very…

Top of the developed world in infant mortality and school shootings too! Us outside the US, who had the option to come and joining a FAANG; call it danger money.

Ive never heard that term, and let's be honest, it's ridiculous. There are plenty of places more dangerous than the US.
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