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Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by maqr »

larrys wrote: post #37
krig wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the key lesson from history is that there are a number of factors that have to align for a paradigm shift to take place, but that from time to time they do happen. There are tons of examples from history of things that people thought would never change or technologies that were thought to be dead in the water that ended up completely displacing previous alternatives. Pretty much every technological communicat…

"mobile phones: it took years after the introduction of mobile phones" Mobile phones (and before that "car phones") solved a problem that benefited practically everyone. It was a matter of price dropping not a matter of benefit. There are people that care about this issue but not enough to ever hit a tipping point.

How many people out there care enough to run a daemon on their home computers to participate in a decentralized file replication system? That's a nice theoretical thing for nerds, but nobody will ever do it, right?

P2P exploded once people realized that they could participate in it to get content that they want. What makes you think this would be any different?

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by [deleted] »

larrys wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #24

Learn from history. Repeat after me: nobody will ever use an alternate root. The idea is much, much older than your project. Consider ipv6, and everyone is TRYING to adopt that. Repeat after me: nobody will use an alternate root. PS: Yes, I know what namecoin is, and the idea is stupid. It may not be an alternate traditional dns root, but the point is exactly the same.

"nobody will ever use an alternate root" 100% in agreement with this. Take spam which is a much larger significant problem. In order to eliminate spam you'd have to get everyone to completely change the email protocol habits usage etc. There is no way to patch over it. That hasn't and isn't going to happen. Major providers who control access aren't going to go along with any alternate root. And getting people to prog…

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Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by mehmeta »

larrys wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #24

Learn from history. Repeat after me: nobody will ever use an alternate root. The idea is much, much older than your project. Consider ipv6, and everyone is TRYING to adopt that. Repeat after me: nobody will use an alternate root. PS: Yes, I know what namecoin is, and the idea is stupid. It may not be an alternate traditional dns root, but the point is exactly the same.

"nobody will ever use an alternate root" 100% in agreement with this. Take spam which is a much larger significant problem. In order to eliminate spam you'd have to get everyone to completely change the email protocol habits usage etc. There is no way to patch over it. That hasn't and isn't going to happen. Major providers who control access aren't going to go along with any alternate root. And getting people to prog…

"And getting people to program in individually alternative dns servers or do anything "technical" in nature won't create enough critical mass"

That has happened before. When YouTube got blocked for some stupid reason in Turkey for months, millions of people used alternative dns servers to bypass the block. It's easy enough to automate, which means it's simply a matter of demand.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by krig »

larrys wrote: post #37
krig wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the key lesson from history is that there are a number of factors that have to align for a paradigm shift to take place, but that from time to time they do happen. There are tons of examples from history of things that people thought would never change or technologies that were thought to be dead in the water that ended up completely displacing previous alternatives. Pretty much every technological communicat…

"mobile phones: it took years after the introduction of mobile phones" Mobile phones (and before that "car phones") solved a problem that benefited practically everyone. It was a matter of price dropping not a matter of benefit. There are people that care about this issue but not enough to ever hit a tipping point.

If there starts to be a lot of content located at .bit domains, if all the major browsers become peers, or if the process of getting a domain becomes very easy.. if any of those things happen, I could see the situation change.

Look, I don't expect the current DNS system to suddenly collapse. Who knows what the future holds, though? It's only been 20 years since the Soviet Union fell. Perhaps in 20 years, we have a new Union oppressing people on a massive scale. Decentralised mechanisms for communication look a whole lot more interesting when your life is on the line.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by katesmith098 »

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Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by nextparadigms »

krig wrote: post #23
nextparadigms wrote: post #18

Can dot-bit.org domain be taken in the name of "facilitating infringement" if SOPA does pass? From what I hear, I think the answer is yes . Sure, they'll say they have no intention of doing that ... but as along as the law itself allows them to do it, and a service like that proves to be a pain in the ass, they'll do it.

The question is how they would do that, technically, since the system is distributed. They could of course force you to give up your domain physically, by seizing your server. As a non-US citizen, my primary concern is relying on nameservers located in the US. My machines are located in Sweden. Of course, that's no guarantee that they would be safe from the FBI...

I was talking about the dot-bit.org domain, not the .bit ones. But as others have mentioned, it wouldn't accomplish much.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by recursive »

epscylonb wrote: post #38
thebigshane wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's referring the the "dot-bit.org" domain, not the the "*.bit" domains. The .org is still registered normally and vulnerable to SOPA.

It could be taken down, I guess a game of whack a mole would ensue with mirrors popping up.

How is this different from the existing SOPA scenario? "Rogue" sites can be taken down with mirrors popping up. It sounds like it's replacing one problem for the same problem.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by api »

What we really need is a new protocol based on Kademelia or something, a decentralized DNS.

Engineering such a thing to scale would be tough, but getting adoption might be easier than we think. It could be offered via click-to-install browser extensions and click-to-install free apps in app stores.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by nowarninglabel »

recursive wrote: post #47
epscylonb wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be taken down, I guess a game of whack a mole would ensue with mirrors popping up.

How is this different from the existing SOPA scenario? "Rogue" sites can be taken down with mirrors popping up. It sounds like it's replacing one problem for the same problem.

The difference is, this would be whack-a-mole only for the one bit-coin.org domain, not for all the .bit domains, unlike the current whack-a-mole game which is being played with all sites using top level domains that the US government can exert authority over.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Post by evan_ »

extension wrote: post #25
sneak wrote: post #24

Learn from history. Repeat after me: nobody will ever use an alternate root. The idea is much, much older than your project. Consider ipv6, and everyone is TRYING to adopt that. Repeat after me: nobody will use an alternate root. PS: Yes, I know what namecoin is, and the idea is stupid. It may not be an alternate traditional dns root, but the point is exactly the same.

People never do things, right up until they do. It's a matter of how great the need is, and it has never been greater.

Is this solution widely used in China?
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