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Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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It's nothing that requires much research. The current national government openly supports discrimination on religious and caste based backgrounds. 7 years of this, and people who used to think "Caste is a taboo subject, and we should be working around it", now think "Caste pride is cool".

It sounds a lot like what has happened in the US over the last 7 years

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Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I mean I'm kinda glad they sue instead of roll over and take the pay. International hiring at lower pay is a capitalist strategy you see everywhere. I watched a Business Insider video a while ago about (of all things) mushroom farmers somewhere in the US. They bluntly admitted they lost tens of thousands of dollars worth of crop because they couldn't find staff. They couldn't find staff because they only hired south-…

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> There's only one side (leftists) and one party (Democrats) that are arguing for more immigration and open borders in the US

This is only true if you refer to extreme left/democrats and extreme right/republicans.

Moderate democrats (the ones usually in control) routinely set limits on immigration and refugee issues.

Moderate republicans, who were usually in control pre-trump, are very pro-immigration (it keeps labor market competitive).

Note that union-oriented folks often times are anti-immigration. Union folks at the national level are currently largely aligned with democrats, but their members have made a massive shift towards the Trump-flavor Republican Party.

To close, I don’t think that the political line is quite as clear as you seem to propose. The extreme left may want few/no immigration limits, and the extreme right may want extremely strict immigration limits, but the moderates from both sides want healthy immigration with limits, and the specifics of the limits are the main issue of contention.

Said another way, the moderates from both sides are closer in ideology to each other than to the extremist sections of their respective party/ideology.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I worked at a company where this was an issue at one point (granted this was one situation among a lot of employees). A manager was pretty much dismissive of everything anyone of a lower caste did / wouldn't communicate with them effectively. HR absolutely struggled with the issue. The HR folks tasked with dealing with discrimination issues largely had spent their time constructing company wide emails and classes tha…

Most likely they struggled because the legal language in policies was ambiguous on how to handle the situation, therefore opening the room for the manager to pursue action against the company for consequences for their behavior.

It would have been dealt with sooner if the employee was white because (assuming they meant white as in western white skinned person) culturally there isn't an equivalent of caste that would make sense for a white person to act on, and they could have acted based on the other groups listed in the anti-discrimination language.

I think it's good they found a way to go forward with dealing with the manager and compensated the employees. In a visit to India a few years ago I saw a shopkeeper make someone leave the store because of caste, not sure if there are actual laws/regulations about this in place there to simplify the process of handling discrimination. The issue of discrimination is very easy to find anywhere, though, and most often presents in a subtle form of prejudice because many people feel a certain way toward others in another group. Anywhere there aren't enforced laws with legal language that protects a group there will be difficulty dealing with discriminatory practices against said group, because laws have to be specific in the way they are written to allow for their enforcement being simple/easy.

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White americans do this too. Think ozarks. I know plenty of ridiculously smart people from this region, who if they talked about the food they ate or didn't work hard to extinguish their accents would probably not have jobs w/ coastal tech companies.

The discrimination based on accent is obvious to me but the food surprises me.. what kind of food from that region is looked down upon on the coasts?

It isn’t necessarily the food itself, it’s just that the food marks somebody as lower class. For example, not knowing how to order sushi or use chopsticks. Maybe a better example is not knowing anything about wine. People will think you’re stupid or have bad taste. What would you think of a coworker bringing bologna and ketchup sandwiches to the office?

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I think this is a reason why Leetcode style interviews are popular. They remove at least one type of bias of race - the ability to solve coding problems. If you can solve Online Assessment, Phone Assessment and Onsites, you keep moving on to the next round, regardless of your race or ethnicity. It is a way for companies to claim that there is no bias in hiring.

Have you seen the discussion boards of Leetcode? It’s all Indians

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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In my opinion, companies should produce "challenges" for leading personal, from a sort of internal investigations team, and among them should be corruption challenges, security challenges, nepotism challenges and discrimination challenges. If you fail them, you get demoted or otherwise restructured. Of course, this creates a atmosphere of distrust, but some things, like Meritocratic atmosphere, are worth it.

Hm. I doubt this would produce meritocracy, more likely the result would be highly political atmosphere where everyone would be covering their actions instead of working.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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Working relationships are complex and require a lot of trust. You can't just wave a magic wand over two people and say "discrimination be gone". The bigot can and will always find ways to harm the victim without accountability.

But we already do this for all other protected classes.

I don't even know what this means, let alone if it is true or not.

How do you "force not to discriminate"? How is this currently enforced in companies?

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I wonder is it really necessary to explicitly ban every sort of discrimination? Shouldn't it be simple 'discrimination is not allowed'? Otherwise we will be listing every type of discrimination and revisiting this list every now and then. And it leads to questions like 'is it acceptable to discriminate by boldness if it is not in the list?'

While I agree that such not-so-well-known discriminations should be publically discussed, I feel like 'banning' them one by one is the wrong direction to take.

Re: Apple becomes first tech giant to explicitly ban caste discrimination

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I worked at a company where this was an issue at one point (granted this was one situation among a lot of employees). A manager was pretty much dismissive of everything anyone of a lower caste did / wouldn't communicate with them effectively. HR absolutely struggled with the issue. The HR folks tasked with dealing with discrimination issues largely had spent their time constructing company wide emails and classes tha…

Most likely they struggled because the legal language in policies was ambiguous on how to handle the situation, therefore opening the room for the manager to pursue action against the company for consequences for their behavior. It would have been dealt with sooner if the employee was white because (assuming they meant white as in western white skinned person) culturally there isn't an equivalent of caste that would…

> Most likely they struggled because the legal language in policies was ambiguous on how to handle the situation, therefore opening the room for the manager to pursue action against the company for consequences for their behavior.

How? Do you really think their language specified that discrimination could only happen from white people to minorities?

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