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American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by cjrp »

rtpg wrote: post #95
cjrp wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true, and makes sense where your face-to-face time is the key thing. But where it's just "work time", surely you can do a good amount of work on a 7 hour flight in a decent business class seat with reliable internet? Especially if you can also minimise the time wasted on the ground (fast security line, lounge with areas to work, airline calling your flight when it's almost finished boarding not at the start, etc…

There are definitely people who can get work done in a flight, but honestly I have a hard time imagining logging 7 hours. Maybe if you have a lot of reading to do?

I'm the same, but I'm imagining the "super serious business people" who are presumably the target market for these planes (given the price). Is it worth the premium to get them from London to NYC in 4 hours, when they could do 5 hours of billable work in the lounge/on the plane anyway.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by chx »

alphabetting wrote: post #3

Overture is being designed to carry 65 to 80 passengers at Mach 1.7 over water — or twice the speed of today’s fastest commercial aircraft — with a range of 4,250 nautical miles. Optimized for speed, safety and sustainability, Overture is also being designed to fly more than 600 routes around the world in as little as half the time. Flying from Miami to London in just under five hours and Los Angeles to Honolulu in t…

This is not a winning proposition. Even if we presume these will fly from a VIP terminal so the time you spend at an airport is low, you still need to get there. I just can't see everyone being flown in and out on a helicopter but maybe my imagination is stunted. Once you begin to add up those hours, you are just not saving enough time for the surely astronomical cost.

You'd need a much longer range for this to be a real win. If you double that range then you can do JFK-SIN or PTY-SYD and then you could do an LHR-PTY-SYD flight in ~12 hours which would be a massive win.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by replygirl »

rkangel wrote: post #124
replygirl wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why the downvotes? the original design was trying to use 3x turboprops, and i can see articles on google about them switching to 4x turbofans after the xb-1 work edit: see parent edit, i was wrong. you guys are pretty good at making someone with misinfo feel bad though

I think the logical explanation is that there was a mistake in the original article. A propeller is not the right choice for supersonic flight, I don't want to say impossible but it wouldn't be far off. They've gone from 3 jet engines to 4, and in both cases they would be turbofans.

acknowledged in edit

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by ominous_prime »

tedivm wrote: post #111
replygirl wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ah, neat! looks like they recently switched from 3x turboprop to 4x turbofan edit: had to correlate sources to find that a bunch of popular aviation blogs got the original design wrong. was actually 3x turbofan -> 4x turbofan

Everyone claiming you are wrong hasn't bothered to google. Literally the first response for "overture turboprop" is a series of articles confirming what you said. > The Overture supersonic aircraft will be powered by three turboprop engines, which includes two that will be mounted under each wing, while the third engine will be fitted at the end of the fuselage. https://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/overture-…

It really must be a simple typo, it's inaccurate to the point of being nonsensical.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by Turing_Machine »

chx wrote: post #104
samstave wrote: post #94

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> Probably will be very expensive but it's exciting for future possibilities Are you kidding me! I cant recall the last time I DIDN'T need to be in Honolulu in THREE HOURS!! This is a life changer for my Macadamia nut Addiction... --- In all seriousness, the best commercial prospect for this is high-speed-cargo. Need a part from GuangZhu like TODAY? Need an organ transplant from Ohio to Munich, TODAY? Need to fire 90…

> a range of 4,250 nautical miles. > Need a part from GuangZhu CAN-LAX is 6,284 nm. > Ohio to Munich OK that can work, CLE-MUC is 3,759 nm.

> CAN-LAX is 6,284 nm.

Just add a refueling stop at ANC, the same as most cargo flights today (and the same as most passenger flights in the past).

According to a Great Circle mapper, CAN-ANC-LAX is only about 250 km longer than CAN-LAX.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by culturestate »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #57
nradov wrote: post #26

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LHR is capacity constrained right now so they don't have slots to add more flights. Hopefully the runway expansion will be finished by the time Boom airliners are actually in service.

LHR is not the only airport in London.

> LHR is not the only airport in London.

No, but it’s the only airport in London that the big US legacy carriers - American, Delta, and United - fly to.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by MetallicCloud »

zionic wrote: post #37
ISL wrote: post #24

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Rich people value time highly. Coach-class that gets you somewhere quickly can be worth a lot more than first-class that takes twice as long.

Also sanity. I’ve done a 16 hour flight before, and let me say never again . I slept for half of it and the other half was still miserable.

I live in Colorado, but am from Melbourne, Australia. I told everyone the last time I went back that it will be the last visit. That trip is hellish and once every 2 years is still too much.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by MAGZine »

chx wrote: post #132
alphabetting wrote: post #3

Overture is being designed to carry 65 to 80 passengers at Mach 1.7 over water — or twice the speed of today’s fastest commercial aircraft — with a range of 4,250 nautical miles. Optimized for speed, safety and sustainability, Overture is also being designed to fly more than 600 routes around the world in as little as half the time. Flying from Miami to London in just under five hours and Los Angeles to Honolulu in t…

This is not a winning proposition. Even if we presume these will fly from a VIP terminal so the time you spend at an airport is low, you still need to get there. I just can't see everyone being flown in and out on a helicopter but maybe my imagination is stunted. Once you begin to add up those hours, you are just not saving enough time for the surely astronomical cost. You'd need a much longer range for this to be a…

a "reasonably" priced helicopter service already exists in nyc, I don't see why this would be so crazy.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by sokoloff »

replygirl wrote: post #128
sokoloff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The XB-1 used 3 turbojet engines.

i didn't say anything about xb-1's propulsion

I acknowledge that; I was trying to bridge from the things you did say to facts about the Boom aircraft development.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Post by starwind »

From SNL: Start-up airline Boom Supersonic has announced it is going to fly passengers anywhere in the world in four hours or less for just a hundred dollars. So get ready to fly fast and cheap on the only airline named after the sound of an explosion.

On a personal note, this company is based out of Centennial Airport (KAPA) which is in my neighborhood

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