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American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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Strong FOMO settling in. Premium transatlantic routes routes like NYC-LHR are super important to the bottom line of the big legacy carriers. If one airline has supersonic and others don’t that could be a huge blow to the others. Of course things didn’t work out that way with Concorde, which was not commercially successful and more of a spectacle than something founded in business fundamentals. But if Boom can make su…

United also has a deal with Boom, that was June this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57361193

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

#52

Overture is being designed to carry 65 to 80 passengers at Mach 1.7 over water — or twice the speed of today’s fastest commercial aircraft — with a range of 4,250 nautical miles. Optimized for speed, safety and sustainability, Overture is also being designed to fly more than 600 routes around the world in as little as half the time. Flying from Miami to London in just under five hours and Los Angeles to Honolulu in t…

Not only very expensive, but basically coach class all the way through, even for the rich people.

You mean couch class? https://boomsupersonic.com/static/images/overture-experience...

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

#53
post #6

Curious how the combination of remote work, videoconferencing, and the really luxurious business class / first class on sub-mach aircraft will compare to this. This is slower and smaller than concorde, so we'll see if the market really values speed over convenience / luxury. Boeing made the opposite decision 20 years ago when they cancelled the sonic cruiser.

I'm pretty sure a Europe-Australia line that doesn't take two days with 3 layovers would sell like hotcakes regardless of accommodations.

Qantas is already flying Perth-London direct (17 hours), and is seriously exploring options for pulling off Sydney-London direct.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concorde also didn't work out for management reasons and generated most revenue right before retirement when they they finally lowered ticket prices and stopped flying them half empty like the absolute idiots they were.

Interesting, I had heard the opposite. BA did a survey of passengers and realized that most passengers had no idea how much the tickets were worth since their employers had purchased the tickets for them. They thought their employers paid more than they actually did, so BA realized that they could considerably increase prices without losing many customers. BA raised prices and finally started turning a profit on Conc…

As I recall Concorde was something like 30% over first class. Which was very expensive at the time.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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How is the fuel efficiency of these? They go faster, but I assume they would also fly higher where the air is thinner. Does it cancel out?

Adding to the supersonic questions - how will they deal with the sonic booms? I assume they're still banned over land, which significantly adds to travel time?

As the press release says, it’s specifically designed to replace over water routes. There are many international routes (some domestic, like Hawaii) that this can handle. So it won’t be doing anything like LA->NY.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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post #11

Strong FOMO settling in. Premium transatlantic routes routes like NYC-LHR are super important to the bottom line of the big legacy carriers. If one airline has supersonic and others don’t that could be a huge blow to the others. Of course things didn’t work out that way with Concorde, which was not commercially successful and more of a spectacle than something founded in business fundamentals. But if Boom can make su…

LHR is capacity constrained right now so they don't have slots to add more flights. Hopefully the runway expansion will be finished by the time Boom airliners are actually in service.

American would swap this in for a plane which is using an existing takeoff/landing slot. Heathrow is also passenger-capacity-constrained right now, but that's more to do with understaffing.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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post #26
post #11

Strong FOMO settling in. Premium transatlantic routes routes like NYC-LHR are super important to the bottom line of the big legacy carriers. If one airline has supersonic and others don’t that could be a huge blow to the others. Of course things didn’t work out that way with Concorde, which was not commercially successful and more of a spectacle than something founded in business fundamentals. But if Boom can make su…

LHR is capacity constrained right now so they don't have slots to add more flights. Hopefully the runway expansion will be finished by the time Boom airliners are actually in service.

LHR is not the only airport in London.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

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post #6

Curious how the combination of remote work, videoconferencing, and the really luxurious business class / first class on sub-mach aircraft will compare to this. This is slower and smaller than concorde, so we'll see if the market really values speed over convenience / luxury. Boeing made the opposite decision 20 years ago when they cancelled the sonic cruiser.

Why would you assume this aircraft wouldn't have a luxurious cabin? It looks pretty nice from the one rendering they have on the site. 1-1 seating, so direct aisle access for all. Plenty of room.

Renders of any new aircraft always show them full of bars, gyms, bowling alleys etc, but the reality is just as many seats crammed in as they can fit, and then some.

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

#59
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Not a lot to go on here. Boom projects first flight in 2026 for the Overture. They seem to be fairly close to first flight with their XB-1, but it has not flown yet. I congratulate them on getting funding, but all the hard parts are ahead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_XB-1

By 2026, with the typical delay till 2028 they’ll face the prospect of Earth-2-Earth starship flights

Re: American Airlines agrees to purchase Boom Supersonic Overture aircraft

#60
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's phrased in such a way to give the idea that they've made a significant commitment, but it's entirely possible it was something like a 1% down payment.

This is almost certainly how it was done - and even the "fully refundable" deposits airlines make with Boeing, et al are going to have "fixed non-refundable costs" even just to handle the paperwork.

Right. If you're going to place a deposit for aircraft with a startup airplane manufacturer, "refundable" only makes sense if you're willing to take warrants or something that will grant you IP when the company folds. If Boom doesn't deliver the aircraft, the company folds and goes bankrupt, it's not like the deposit funds are just held in escrow. Might as well make it "nonrefundable" to get the PR value.
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