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Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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One of the items this article doesn't cover is healthcare spending, which has increased between 2 and 8 times since 1980 (depending on whether you're looking at individual spending or share of GDP). Here's a decent collection of charts: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe... It has been shocking to me to see how cheap and effective healthcare can be in other countries, from an emergency visit…

Healthcare costs increased in step with inflation until 1968, when the rate increased dramatically and never slowed down. What happened in 1968? LBJ's Great Society massive efforts at free medical care started. The same thing happened with college tuition. Government attempts to reduce its costs resulted in greatly expanded costliness. The most expensive things in the world are government provided "free" stuff.

The US has less government provided care than any other industrial country and by far the highest costs in the world

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kids left highschool knowing more math in the 70's than college graduates do now

I doubt it. Kids leave elementary school today knowing more programming languages than college graduates did in 2010. If you want actual data, compare SAT scores or something. I'm willing to bet that by any metric, school was lax back then.

SAT scores have a trend of being inflated over time because they are dropping.

There is no way the average college bound student from the 70’s doesn’t score higher on every standard subject than a contemporary one.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #144

One of the items this article doesn't cover is healthcare spending, which has increased between 2 and 8 times since 1980 (depending on whether you're looking at individual spending or share of GDP). Here's a decent collection of charts: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe... It has been shocking to me to see how cheap and effective healthcare can be in other countries, from an emergency visit…

This is all true, but I am guessing the article skipped it because rising healthcare costs likely impact Gen Z much less than the population overall. Obamacare has allowed children to stay on their parent's insurance for much longer. All of Gen Z is still young enough to qualify for that, so as a generation they haven't felt the full cost of seeking insurance independently. Plus the overturning of the personal mandat…

> There is still something very wrong with the healthcare system in the US

Government interference with the free market.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #144

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This is all true, but I am guessing the article skipped it because rising healthcare costs likely impact Gen Z much less than the population overall. Obamacare has allowed children to stay on their parent's insurance for much longer. All of Gen Z is still young enough to qualify for that, so as a generation they haven't felt the full cost of seeking insurance independently. Plus the overturning of the personal mandat…

> There is still something very wrong with the healthcare system in the US Government interference with the free market.

I would take straight up communism health care or ancap pay-or-die unregulated over our current bastardized system that combines the worst aspects of both.

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I've heard this so often yet we left the UK for no other reason than the healthcare. My wife was pregnant and the experience from 0-7 months was so terrible, we flew to the US to have the child. Post-operative outcomes and survival rates in the US are far better than in the UK and many European countries. Statistics about better birth outcomes or higher longevity is best attributed to healthier lifestyles in Europe/U…

I don't think anyone disputes that us healthcare is better if you have the money.

According to GP it’s the same price as the UK.

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> healthcare per capita than any other OECD nation. You also need to mention that the US is not like any other OECD nation. It also happens to he the nation with the largest innovation in Healthcare, and not just by a little. By Far.

there's no discernible innovation in healthcare, at least if you go by any actual metric that would indicate that. Life expectancy in Cuba is higher than in the US, infant mortality in the US is higher than in any peer country, drug death rates are higher than in most if not all comparable nations, and so on. The pharmaceutical industry might produce innovations concerning some rare diseases or whatever, but there's…

> infant mortality

You have to be careful with statistics like that. I did some research on that a few years ago. Different countries define infant mortality differently. Other countries would classify many failed pregnancies as a miscarriage that the US classifies as infant mortality, for example. This is because the US is very aggressive at trying to save premature babies.

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> healthcare per capita than any other OECD nation. You also need to mention that the US is not like any other OECD nation. It also happens to he the nation with the largest innovation in Healthcare, and not just by a little. By Far.

Is your theory that medical research and innovation is why it's so outrageously expensive to get stitches to close a wound?

The expense comes from the cost of poor people getting free emergency room treatment getting passed on to the paying customers.

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At least they can buy cheap TVs, right? I wonder if we can finally accept that just because things like phones and TVs got better faster than purchasing power got worse, doesn't mean that it hasn't been getting worse for a while. I'd even go so far to say that technical progress in a couple areas has hidden some pretty stark declines. Or at least allowed some people to point at shiny things getting better when compla…

I could not agree more. I won't romanticize 1950s or 1970s cheap junk products compared to 1990s cheap junk products or 2020s cheap junk products, but something definitely has changed. Here's how I like to argue it: TVs might be cheaper "per unit of TV", but it's also difficult to just buy a basic TV. This is also offset intensely by "shrinkflation", which applies as much to durable goods (cheapening components) as i…

It's conspiratorial to assume that advertising and marketing is responsible for the status quo, rather than it being reflective of the genuine preferences of consumers to have new toys. Consumer preference has rewarded lowest-common-denominator dopamine trains in basically every facet of modern life. See the gaming industry with microtransactions/lootboxes, or entertainment with the move towards short-form content.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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One of the items this article doesn't cover is healthcare spending, which has increased between 2 and 8 times since 1980 (depending on whether you're looking at individual spending or share of GDP). Here's a decent collection of charts: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe... It has been shocking to me to see how cheap and effective healthcare can be in other countries, from an emergency visit…

> In the US, healthcare is effectively a collection of cartels Not just in the US. For example there's a huge glasses cartel in France with specialists that are protected by the government and make pairs of glasses cost 500~1000 USD with very little reimbursement, while in Japan private companies (that actually compete against each other's) let you have glasses for 60~70 USD all included. You are literally better off…

I don't know how much things have changed, but in 2008 I bought my first pair of glasses in France, and had to leave the store to get some cash because they had a 10 euro minimum. I lost my prescription sunglasses a few months ago and got a replacement for $700 _after_ insurance. The frame was $150, so not outrageous.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #16

At least they can buy cheap TVs, right? I wonder if we can finally accept that just because things like phones and TVs got better faster than purchasing power got worse, doesn't mean that it hasn't been getting worse for a while. I'd even go so far to say that technical progress in a couple areas has hidden some pretty stark declines. Or at least allowed some people to point at shiny things getting better when compla…

FWIW smart TVs are "cheap" because of how lucrative it is to sell the data they collect. Gen Z probably has even less privacy than they do purchasing power. And while the economy will invariably bounce back - that data stays collected forever
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