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Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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Isn't it a natural consequence of capital growing faster than wage?

Don't discount the change in population. The US population has doubled during this period. Everyone has an opinion on how that change would have affected the economy, but it would be foolish to assume that it did nothing.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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This doesn't make sense at all to me. They're comparing income in constant 2022 dollars with the CPI. That's saying "if we adjusted historical salaries for inflation, then assumed that the constant 2022 dollar numbers were actually nominal numbers for each point in history, then people would've been able to buy much more stuff back then". Which is true, but not very meaningful. The whole point of the constant 2022 do…

They've specifically pulled out only the categories that have risen faster than inflation, and didn't include any categories that have fallen relative to inflation. So it's guaranteed to get this result.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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The proliferation of payment plans. Everyone can "afford" a flagship smartphone. Only 36$ per month Everyone can afford a car only : 340$ a month. numbers add up fast digging themselves into a hole

Given the banks know these people can't afford it anyway they will still allow them to continue borrowing despite knowing that it is already getting expensive for average people to do so quickly.

If some are rejected directly by the banks for getting these loans, then the banks can still get them by setting up a BNPL (Buy-Now-Pay-Later) competitor / service with even higher interest rates. Either way, the banks still win.

So you will own nothing, and you will be very happy. Even if you can't afford it, the banks will be very happy to charge you interest and you will still be happy.

The scam of the century.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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At least they can buy cheap TVs, right? I wonder if we can finally accept that just because things like phones and TVs got better faster than purchasing power got worse, doesn't mean that it hasn't been getting worse for a while. I'd even go so far to say that technical progress in a couple areas has hidden some pretty stark declines. Or at least allowed some people to point at shiny things getting better when compla…

As usual, there's a few chart crimes in here. Chart 1 shows CPI and inflation adjusted wages on the same graph? Why? Inflation adjusted wages already take into account CPI. There's no sensible reason to plot these two on the same graph.

The caption is "wages are up 80% but that didn't keep up with living costs" - you cannot draw that inference from this graph. This graph actually shows that in fact wages grew faster than inflation.

Housing is another red herring, of course, because the average new American home is 2x bigger now than it was in the 70s - and the average American family is like 10% smaller. Broadly, 1 square foot of the 'average' American home costs exactly the same as it used to in the 1970s. [1] So yes, housing is more expensive in big cities but that's because of zoning as Mr. Andreessen will tell you. Outside big cities it's still zoning, which requires minimum setback, garages, square footage, etc.

In fact if you look by cohort, inflation-adjusted, millennials are doing roughly as well as other generations did at their age. [2]

Their flagship claim that folks have 86% less purchasing power now holds zero water. The poverty rate remains basically unchanged since the 70s. [3] You'd think there'd be a lot more people in poverty if they only had 1/10th the buying power no?!

Some things are more expensive (college, healthcare, 1 sqft of house in a big city, new houses outside of town) and yes, productivity growth far outpaced wage growth - but wage growth kept pace with inflation. That means folks are just the same off, instead of the better off they could be. [4]

[edit] If you really slice it by decile, the bottom 10% of millennials is much worse off (like 15%) - that's what it looks like when you massacre the social safety net. But millennials as a whole are just as well off as previous generations.

[1] https://fee.org/articles/new-homes-today-have-twice-the-squa...

[2] https://ofdollarsanddata.com/no-millennials-arent-poorer-tha...

[3] https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/what-current-poverty-rate-un...

[4] https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/19/heres-how-labor-dynamism-aff...

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #27
post #16

At least they can buy cheap TVs, right? I wonder if we can finally accept that just because things like phones and TVs got better faster than purchasing power got worse, doesn't mean that it hasn't been getting worse for a while. I'd even go so far to say that technical progress in a couple areas has hidden some pretty stark declines. Or at least allowed some people to point at shiny things getting better when compla…

What good is cheaper tech if we just use that to add more features and keep the same price? You could get a TV for less than $50 if it had the same features and processing power as it did in 2002. Same for computers. Imagine how cheap we could make a car that only has the features we had in the 90’s? Even if you include the mandatory passive safety upgrades.

> What good is cheaper tech if we just use that to add more features and keep the same price?

...having better technology, and therefore higher living standards?

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #52

This doesn't make sense at all to me. They're comparing income in constant 2022 dollars with the CPI. That's saying "if we adjusted historical salaries for inflation, then assumed that the constant 2022 dollar numbers were actually nominal numbers for each point in history, then people would've been able to buy much more stuff back then". Which is true, but not very meaningful. The whole point of the constant 2022 do…

They've specifically pulled out only the categories that have risen faster than inflation, and didn't include any categories that have fallen relative to inflation. So it's guaranteed to get this result.

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Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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post #28

My parents are boomers and frequently talk about the 2020s being 70s dejavu. My father entered his 20s in in 1968, and the tail end of his 20s in a deep recession and purchased a modest home in 1976 at a blistering 14% on 30 year fixed. His experience in the Midwest did not match with the assertions in the article.

How much was the total price of that modest home? 14% of cheap is still cheap.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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One of the items this article doesn't cover is healthcare spending, which has increased between 2 and 8 times since 1980 (depending on whether you're looking at individual spending or share of GDP). Here's a decent collection of charts: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe...

It has been shocking to me to see how cheap and effective healthcare can be in other countries, from an emergency visit to the hospital (in the US: I got a $50k bill for one emergency surgery) to an eye test and new pair of glasses (US costs running $500-$1000, although startups have chipped away at this). In the US, healthcare is effectively a collection of cartels -- an enormous parasite that will be nearly impossible to rip off our soft underbelly.

Re: Gen Z have 86% less purchasing power compared to baby boomers in their twenties

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What good is cheaper tech if we just use that to add more features and keep the same price? You could get a TV for less than $50 if it had the same features and processing power as it did in 2002. Same for computers. Imagine how cheap we could make a car that only has the features we had in the 90’s? Even if you include the mandatory passive safety upgrades.

I'd be first in line for a new car that only has the features of cars from the 1990s.

Ford Crown Victoria was sorta that until 2010.
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