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Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by ajross »

orionion wrote: post #15
arketyp wrote: post #3

>The five warmest Julys on record have all occurred since 2016.

It doesn't apply south of the border??? Every day at lunch I Google: "Mexico City temp" Always in the 70s... August 15, 2022 71°F°C Precipitation: 14% Humidity: 51% Wind: 6 mph Mexico City, CDMX, Mexico Monday 12:00 PM Mostly cloudy

Are you seriously trying to cherry-pick a single outlier to refute a planet-wide data set?

FWIW: if your point was that you were expecting Mexico City to be hot like Cancun, you need to check a map. The city is in the middle of a mountain plateau at 7000' MSL!

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by SoftTalker »

orionion wrote: post #15
arketyp wrote: post #3

>The five warmest Julys on record have all occurred since 2016.

It doesn't apply south of the border??? Every day at lunch I Google: "Mexico City temp" Always in the 70s... August 15, 2022 71°F°C Precipitation: 14% Humidity: 51% Wind: 6 mph Mexico City, CDMX, Mexico Monday 12:00 PM Mostly cloudy

I don't think you can pick one locale and argue anything based on that. I've lived in the Midwest USA my whole life (over 50 years). The weather seems about the same as always. I remember 100 degree days when I was a kid in the 1970s. They are rare but they happen occasionally then as now (we haven't been above mid-90s here yet this year). July and August are hot and humid, as always. I can't say that I've noticed any trends up or down, but that doesn't mean that the data on global averages are wrong.

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by photochemsyn »

Here's the plot of 1980-2022 july temperatures (global land-ocean). Note it's a bit of a plateau since 2016 or so, but that if you eyeball a running 8-yr average it's a steady climb.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series/globe/land_...

The comparison to January is kind of interesting (these are anomaly plots off a 1900 - 2000 base period, not absolute)

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series/globe/land_...

Note these are global averages so effects like winter vs. summer don't really show up.

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by moritzwarhier »

soared wrote: post #21
twelfthnight wrote: post #4

A little surprised to see these posts still crop up when to me it seems like these records aren't news anymore, but rather the expectation. I saw someone on here point out that instead of repeatedly saying "this is the hottest X on record" we should start saying "this is expected to be the coolest X for the next 100 years".

Your alternate headline implies global warming is on a trend towards cooler days, which we definitely do not want to imply as it’s not true.

Not really, you misread. to

Edit; Well, maybe you didn't. But what's 100 years from now if we don't manage to tackle global warming...

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by elil17 »

ajross wrote: post #25
elil17 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should check out https://www.carboncounter.com If you drive very little and mostly on the highway, a mini ICE car may be more efficient than an electric car (due to the fixed emissions associated with producing the battery). Of course, an electric (or even hybrid) vehicle) is a far, far better choice for the vast majority of drivers.

FWIW, that chart doesn't really substantiate your words. In fact just a tiny handful of plugin hybrids (really just the Ioniq and Prius Prime) reach the lifetime carbon impact seen by even the median EVs. And obviously that demands that the plugin be driven mostly as an EV (i.e. actually be plugged in regularly ), something that has been frustratingly false for most deployed vehicles.

If you do 2k miles per year only and all on the highway ICE cars do look favorable. But that is a very atypical circumstance (however, one that OP might be in)

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by FractalHQ »

SoftTalker wrote: post #28
yrgulation wrote: post #8

At this point i feel so much guilt for driving (on weekends now and then) a guzzler that i’d rather throw it to the bin and never look back. Either way i am never again driving an ice car.

Nothing you do individually makes any difference at all. Don't feel guilty. Manufacturing a new EV with all the attendant impact from raw materials processing and manufacturing vs keeping an older ICE car where all of that is sunk costs not a clear win in my view.

Does this narrative hold true if we replace the individual with “everyone”? How many people does it take to reach a “significant” change?

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by _-david-_ »

kerblang wrote: post #27

> Antarctica had a record-low July sea ice coverage for the second month in a row at 5.75 million square miles What does this mean? How are there two july's in a row? Did they mean the "second year in a row"? If they were actually comparing july to june, well of course july is colder than june. Bleagh. I have no idea. Edit: Wait, wait, yes, july is colder than june, so I don't know how it could come up with less ice.…

>If they were actually comparing july to june, well of course july is colder than june.

Why is July of course colder than June? The winter solstice was on June 21, right? I am not sure of the solstice is the coldest time, but could you explain this?

Re: Earth had its 6th-hottest July and year to date on record

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Post by penneyd »

SoftTalker wrote: post #28
yrgulation wrote: post #8

At this point i feel so much guilt for driving (on weekends now and then) a guzzler that i’d rather throw it to the bin and never look back. Either way i am never again driving an ice car.

Nothing you do individually makes any difference at all. Don't feel guilty. Manufacturing a new EV with all the attendant impact from raw materials processing and manufacturing vs keeping an older ICE car where all of that is sunk costs not a clear win in my view.

According to a recent Reuters article using a model developed by the Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago, the point at which an EV’s carbon footprint meets and begins to fall below that of a comparable gas vehicle in the United States is at around 13,500 miles.

So after an average year of driving, the EV is better for the environment.

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