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Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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And the cape is made out of run dry riverbeds of cooling water. Not to mention that waste handling is still not a solved problem, but sure, let's put all our eggs into a single danger-basket of extinction (again) - what could possibly go wrong?

Coal and gas power stations need cooling water in exactly the same way as nuclear.

Regarding the waste, I'd much rather have the very small amount of nuclear waste produced by a nuclear power station kept somewhere nice and safe than the humongous amount of waste that coal and gas produce and spew out into our atmosphere. A coal power station releases more radioactive waste than a nuclear one. Even the renewables produce quite an impressive waste stream compared to nuclear

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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After 40 years, perhaps the anti-nuclear movement could realize they were wrong. Burning all that coal for the past half century was a really bad idea. In the meantime, we patiently wait for another solution. Today we could be talking about being carbon neutral by 2070 instead of 2050 but we decided to wait. Now we need to spend money to “adapt” to climate change. https://hbr.org/2022/08/its-time-to-invest-in-climate…

After 60 years perhaps the nuke-boosters can admit that nukes were never a good idea. They have always depended on massive public subsidy to appear competitive. Now nukes are radically more expensive than alternatives even neglecting the massive subsidies. Each dollar diverted from renewables to nukes brings climate catastrophe nearer.

Yeah thank god we went with the cheaper option that instead will make large parts of the planet uninhabitable /s

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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And the cape is made out of run dry riverbeds of cooling water. Not to mention that waste handling is still not a solved problem, but sure, let's put all our eggs into a single danger-basket of extinction (again) - what could possibly go wrong?

For FUCKS SAKE: Nuclear waste is a non issue.

You dedicate once, EXACTLY ONE, swimming pool to store spent fuel for an entire country.

The lie of nuclear waste has been repeated so many time by uneducated fossil fuel lovers we’ve missed hundreds of opportunities to provide clean sustainable power for generations.

There are some logistic and construction problems that need optimization, but waste is the least of them.

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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Don't tell that to the Germans. They would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear.

They think they would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear.

Realistically it's the factory leaving town because the electricity economics went from awesome to terrible overnight, that cheap Kay-double-you-aich (kilowatt-hour) left the Old Country and might never come back. Keep in mind these Germans, German Germans in Germany, have been selected by migration to the Americas (and Tanganika, the Carolinas, lots of places) so they're the ones who loved their village and wanted to stay. They've lived there for easily ten generations. But the kilowatt-hour tripled, there's no industry that doesn't prejudice. Like even fucking basket-weaving requires lighting to work beyond sundown. Kilowatt hours man, they're the name of the game.

So there's a choice. Dream sweet dreams of solar panels solving all your problems while you shiver and shake, suck up those blackouts while living on unemployment insurance, and maintain a positive attitude.

Or call bullshit, declare the German national character competent in ways Japan was not (I would say that particular Japanese industry got caught with its pants down for cutting corners). And that Germans in particular are capable of building reliable, solid reactors with aggressive kilowatt pricing--while at the same time not cutting a single corner on the cement, welding, metallurgy, and structural engineering. Like the culture is perfect for it, one more example is their punctuality, it's evident they can do nuclear. I think they did that for a very long time, in fact. They did not shut down due to a German accident.

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After 60 years perhaps the nuke-boosters can admit that nukes were never a good idea. They have always depended on massive public subsidy to appear competitive. Now nukes are radically more expensive than alternatives even neglecting the massive subsidies. Each dollar diverted from renewables to nukes brings climate catastrophe nearer.

Yeah thank god we went with the cheaper option that instead will make large parts of the planet uninhabitable /s

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Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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And the cape is made out of run dry riverbeds of cooling water. Not to mention that waste handling is still not a solved problem, but sure, let's put all our eggs into a single danger-basket of extinction (again) - what could possibly go wrong?

For FUCKS SAKE: Nuclear waste is a non issue. You dedicate once, EXACTLY ONE, swimming pool to store spent fuel for an entire country. The lie of nuclear waste has been repeated so many time by uneducated fossil fuel lovers we’ve missed hundreds of opportunities to provide clean sustainable power for generations. There are some logistic and construction problems that need optimization, but waste is the least of them.

Not sure how regarding nuclear fission as reasonably dangerous automatically makes you a "fossil fuel lover", but okay. It's not like there aren't any other options out there. They just haven't received much investment in the past decades (except for a few places, i.e. geothermal in Iceland).

I'd like to be educated about that radioactive waste lie – I've not seen it work (meaning no-maintenance, safe, long-term or permanent storage) yet anywhere. And yet, supposedly a solved problem. Waste processing & storage has a long history of irradiating, or even leaking into the environment – one that immediately comes to mind is Sellafield [1], which is a repeat offender. Gorleben [2], another more recent example of how the "solved problem" turned out to be mainly money in other people's pockets. In the US, they recently had an issue with waste stored on the surface [3]. The list is long, and growing – yet not a single storage facility exists that is deemed permanently safe? I also don't know of any such facility currently under construction.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield#Incidents [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorleben_salt_dome [3]: https://nypost.com/2021/04/03/leak-of-radioactive-wastewater...

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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Don't tell that to the Germans. They would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear.

They think they would rather have rolling blackouts than go back to nuclear. Realistically it's the factory leaving town because the electricity economics went from awesome to terrible overnight, that cheap Kay-double-you-aich (kilowatt-hour) left the Old Country and might never come back. Keep in mind these Germans, German Germans in Germany, have been selected by migration to the Americas (and Tanganika, the Caroli…

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Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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> Those three world-famous accidents killed fewer than 80 people in total. Take away Chernobyl, and it's probably one.

That sounds oversimplified and biased, and makes a potentially good article unreliable to my eyes. It doesn’t count people who have died as a result of radiation exposure, doesn’t mention the Chernobyl exclusion zone, the radioactive cloud, all the health issues that it has caused, etc.

Re: Nuclear power is the climate superhero too nervous to wear its cape

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That 3 eyed fish on the Simpsons likely caused millions of deaths at this point. Thanks a lot Harry Shearer.

Uh.. what?

This guy: https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Blinky

A generation of people associate him with nuclear power.

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