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Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by behnamoh »

jamespo wrote: post #47
ziddoap wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There might be an update, but nothing close to the annoyance of using a windows PC I generally can just come home, turn on my PC, and double-click the shortcut for my game. I have hundreds of games in my Steam library and maybe 4 have a custom launcher, which I agree can be a bit annoying but in 90% of cases just means I am clicking 2-3 more times before the game starts (adding ~10 seconds, maybe). Regarding multip…

Depends on the game, but for a quick play it's nice to just sit down on the sofa, turn the controller on which turns on the console & screen and you're playing in 15 seconds.

I think it depends on what people find comfortable. Sitting on a sofa after a long day at work vs. sitting at a PC desk (with probably a decent chair but still not as comfy as a couch) and keeping the same posture that you had at work.

I still think that mouse and keyboard gives me better control on the game, and I don’t like the stuttering that happens when using a controller to look around in an RPG. Compare that to a 144Hz mouse and monitor.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by zimpenfish »

coldpie wrote: post #19
spywaregorilla wrote: post #12

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Why can't you turn on your pc and play games?

Driver updates. OS updates. Driver update broke HDMI. OS update broke my controller config. Steam update broke my controller config. Bluetooth controller randomly unpairs every other week. Game picks the wrong sound device so now it's coming out of the TV instead of my wireless headphones. Some game doesn't work with gamepad so I guess I need a wireless kb/m now, too. Oop game lost focus because of a Chrome update di…

> Oop game lost focus because of a Chrome update dialog

This is particularly irksome on the Macbook when playing Minecraft because you can't just CMD-Tab back in (because Mojang's UI competence is on par with their optimisation competence) - you have to click out of the not-visible Minecraft and then click on it in the dock. (CMD-Tab only works when it's not fullscreen.)

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by behnamoh »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #24
dageshi wrote: post #10

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That was true pre this current generation of consoles. It was damned hard to get a PC comparable to a PS5 or Xbox SX for the past 2-3 years, because the hardware in those consoles is very capable and graphics cards were unobtainium at MSRP. Even now, I think getting PC hardware for the same retail costs as the consoles would be tough.

I don't buy it. These things have been way more accessible than people thought. Building your own PC has been stupidly expensive due the crypto crunch. Buying a midrange prebuilt has been fine. Play a console for several years and you'll also see several hundred dollars disappear to online subscriptions and controllers and what not.

Agreed. Plus you can upgrade the PC over the years, but not the console.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by zimpenfish »

ChoGGi wrote: post #59
spywaregorilla wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I get maybe 20-30 minutes a month where I can play games. > I was able to play and beat Elden Ring over the course of a few months I congratulate you on beating Elden Ring over a few 20-30 minute sessions. > Previously, I had a PC that never got turned on except for gaming. When I would sit down to play, I would have to wade through ~30 minutes of OS updates, Steam updates, and then game updates. Every. Single. Tim…

30m sounds about right to me (with crappy internet).

I have good internet and Steam updating on Windows 10 is always 10+ minutes for me (during which time the rest of the machine is mildly unresponsive.)

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by slothtrop »

hiidrew wrote: post #57

This checks out. PS has mostly all the exclusives anybody would care about. Anything Xbox exclusive is likely available on PC. also PS5 related—I'm still appalled that a proper web browser was not included.

Their answer to this today is a strong subscription model for either console or PC. For "lifestyle" gamers it's probably the most attractive option.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by green-eclipse »

DrBazza wrote: post #53

I stopped knowingly buying all things Sony because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... That made me switch to the XBox One, and I was quite happy with it. I've not knowingly paid directly for anything Sony. Indirectly, I've watched Spiderman on cable, so I expect my cable provider paid them pennies out of my monthly fee.

Microsoft has also done an incredible amount of extremely shady stuff in their long history. Neither side is pure as the driven snow.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by tjpnz »

manojlds wrote: post #25
originalvichy wrote: post #2

The generational gap is insane. In Finland a vast majority in the PS3/360 days were in the green team. The next generation? It was rare to see anyone with an Xbox One. The pendulum swang hard. As a 360 user those days I saw some of the writing on the wall. Xbox E3 events focused hard on American features which turned the Xbox to a smart TV box. Aside from games we gained nothing for most of Europe. With the upcoming…

Wasn't Xbox One defined by the massive backlash to its TV features, Kinect etc and Microsoft had to backtrack hard? It's not a Finland only thing you are seeing. Xbox is of course a American favourite but it faced the brunt there as well. Not to mention that momentum was clearly with Sony towards end of the PS3/360 era and Microsoft killed all their momentum with the reveal. The results that we saw with PS4 and Xbox…

Don't forget Don Mattrick's behaviour during E3 2013. The arrogance and utter disdain shown towards gamers is the stuff of legend.

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Post by goosedragons »

2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #6
originalvichy wrote: post #2

The generational gap is insane. In Finland a vast majority in the PS3/360 days were in the green team. The next generation? It was rare to see anyone with an Xbox One. The pendulum swang hard. As a 360 user those days I saw some of the writing on the wall. Xbox E3 events focused hard on American features which turned the Xbox to a smart TV box. Aside from games we gained nothing for most of Europe. With the upcoming…

I stuck to XB1 for backwards compatibility and Gears of War, but on the other hand I failed to see an obvious advantage to the PS4. What's the "killer app" of the PS4? Apart from exclusives, both seem similar. Both seem to be considerably worse as a media box compared to the good old 360 with it's magnificent built-in DLNA compatibility and CD-ripping.

Remember that at launch it was $100 cheaper and more powerful. Multi-plats on PS4 outperformed Xbox One almost always. Usually the PS4 version was 1080p native, Xbox One 900p. Plus storage could be easily upgraded with a screwdriver. And you got the exclusives too.

All of the Xbox One's benefits mainly came later when they added backwards compatibility, 4K Blu-ray support, Game Pass etc.

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Post by capableweb »

coldpie wrote: post #55
capableweb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Valve is underway to change this common misconception. I got a Steam Deck last month and can't remember the last time I had this fluid experience with gaming, especially since I can bring it anywhere (in the house, and elsewhere). And the Steam Deck is a PC with embedded controllers (that by default runs Linux as it's main OS). Last night I hooked it up to my monitor, keyboard and mouse, downloaded Rust and used it f…

Ohh I know all about the Steam Deck ;) It's a promising device and I've got high hopes for it. I haven't tried hooking mine up to a TV in a long while, I wonder if that's working well yet. It's my device for playing Guilty Gear Strive, but I prefer to play on a TV, so I haven't actually been using it much.

The times I've used it with a TV or monitor it worked fine (but haven't used it extensively, just a couple of times), having more issues with latency when connecting Xbox controller via Bluetooth.

Re: Microsoft finally admits Xbox One sales were less than half of the PS4

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Post by goosedragons »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #7

Consoles seem like a dumb idea to me. They were great when split screen was the main form of multiplayer. Now multiplayer has largely moved online. Finding local co-op / competitive games is kind of hard, and of the few that still come out, few of them are console specific. If you're colocated with your friends, playing together may not be possible unless you want to bring along another console and hook it up to anot…

PCs are still way more expensive. Especially lately. Compare what you can get for $500. You just can't get a PS5 or Xbox Series X level system for that much. It will barely cover a similar level GPU and then you still need to add all the other crap.

And they are simpler and just straight up better to use on TVs. You're never forced back into an interface designed to be viewed 20" away to log into some launcher or install some crap. You know the game is just gonna work with your controller and you don't have to tweak settings or diddle with Steam to make it work. And it also has nice integrated things like a Blu-ray app and a Netflix app with a sensible TV interface and 4K playback.

Prices aren't even really better on PC. I find it's either the same or like a dollar or two off.

Plus you can just suspend the game and do something else and come back to it reliably. I've never found that to be the case with PC gaming except on the Steam Deck and that's one of favorite features. It actually makes PC gaming viable for me now.

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