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As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Have you seen Stable Diffusion, the AI in question in the tweet? The images are astoundingly good, much better than DALL-E 2 even. https://twitter.com/StableDiffusion/

Seems the account got suspended.

Wow that was quite fast. Check out the subreddit then like someone else mentioned: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Considering the staggering speed that image generation is improving, that 10% gap will only continue to close. Starting e.g. an art education right now seems likely to be extremely nerve-wracking as your talents may very well be woefully obsolete by the time you graduate; the exception perhaps being those top-0.1% talents that will feed the models of the future with new material.

So an art training will become more like pro sports training where “success” means to be top 100 or so in the world. Note it does not prevent one to do arts (or sports) as a hobby. People didn’t stop playing chess after Kasparov lost to Deep Blue.

Given how quickly AI image generation, and creativity generally, has progressed, I think it's perfectly plausible that within ten years we will be able to tell an AI "create a work of art that is unique, highly meaningful and that would be very difficult or impossible for most humans to create with their hands," and will get a work of art that is, in blinded assessments, competitive with the work of any master.

If that happens, I agree that the top 100 human artists in the world will likely have jobs, but they won't be successful in the sense that their work is uniquely valued by society. We pay to see the very most talented humans perform tasks that have been successfully automated, such as chess and lifting heavy objects, not because we need the service they provide but because we get an emotional kick out of seeing other humans perform way outside the normal range of human abilities.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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This is frankly what humans have always done, learning and taking inspiration from other artists. Now we have made a machine that can do the same thing. In the case of exact reproductions, we have copyright and IP laws.

No. This argument comes up over and over and over again and it is wrong. These models are not learning or being inspired in the same sense humans are. The laws tgat apply to humans should not be applied to them.

You're right, AI generated pictures should not be copyrighted, as is the case today. People should be free to mix and remix pictures via AI as much as they desire.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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I am a working digital artist, my personal feed is filled with takes like this. I understand the crisis that artists go through currently and I understand their emotions. I've personally made peace with it already, but it will take time for everyone and there will be a lot of concern, rage and bargaining in the process. All of us artists woke up in the world where the thing we were learning to produce all of our live…

Do you think the AI will become better than the best human artist? In the foreseeable future?

It is like chess and go, computers can beat even the best human player today, but people didn't stop playing these games for enjoyment.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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post #110

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This is frankly what humans have always done, learning and taking inspiration from other artists. Now we have made a machine that can do the same thing. In the case of exact reproductions, we have copyright and IP laws.

It feels like a big stretch to consider an algorithm to be 'inspired'. Where are the bits that correspond to 'inspiration'? Seems like that would answer a lot of big questions in philosophy.

Where are the neurons that correspond to "inspiration?" It's algorithms all the way down.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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I am a working digital artist, my personal feed is filled with takes like this. I understand the crisis that artists go through currently and I understand their emotions. I've personally made peace with it already, but it will take time for everyone and there will be a lot of concern, rage and bargaining in the process. All of us artists woke up in the world where the thing we were learning to produce all of our live…

Do you think the AI will become better than the best human artist? In the foreseeable future?

I believe that it already did, honestly. The output and range of Dalle-2 and Stable Diffusion is unmatched by any human artist. I am not only talking about quantity and range - the best illustrations generated by Stable Diffusion are honestly unbelievable and could totally get on the front pages on artstation on their own. The digital paintings, the 3d renders, landscapes, portraits, concept arts, character designs - I've seen too many world class examples of those generated by AI. The best human artists can usually be world-class at a single style or a genre, while Stable Diffusion is world class at hundreds of them. There's of course no way to judge art objectively. And there are at the moment a lot of gaps that AI is not the best at. Still, if there was a single human artist that could do the things that stable diffusion can do - he would be the best artist that ever lived, no doubt.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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post #136

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Do you think the AI will become better than the best human artist? In the foreseeable future?

I believe that it already did, honestly. The output and range of Dalle-2 and Stable Diffusion is unmatched by any human artist. I am not only talking about quantity and range - the best illustrations generated by Stable Diffusion are honestly unbelievable and could totally get on the front pages on artstation on their own. The digital paintings, the 3d renders, landscapes, portraits, concept arts, character designs -…

Wow, interesting. I’m an ML researcher creating models for music generation and I can say with certainty we are pretty far from generating human level quality music.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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I think you're wrong. Pretty much all human creations can be encoded digitally to a high enough fidelity that the discretization process no longer is distinguishable. And 3D printers for paintings exist, that can replicate brush strokes and other techniques, and they will only get better over time. So there's very little left in the human arsenal as the AI generation and AI painting techniques both improve. https://y…

Your link shows you can 3D print a "Rembrandt" if you hire a team of people to spend 18 months working on custom algorithms for it, and I doubt any art experts were as likely to actually be fooled by it as they were by a van Meergeren forgery. Not sure the people selling paintings knocked out in an afternoon to tourists who visited their studio and chose to buy an original instead of the visually indistinguishable pr…

Everything is originally bespoke before it is mass produced. Forgeries have gotten so much better than they used to be. I know antique dealers and they often rant about the job of recognizing reproductions having become significantly more difficult.

Like others have said, the first ones have issues, but late stage is when things get problematic.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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post #135

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So an art training will become more like pro sports training where “success” means to be top 100 or so in the world. Note it does not prevent one to do arts (or sports) as a hobby. People didn’t stop playing chess after Kasparov lost to Deep Blue.

Given how quickly AI image generation, and creativity generally, has progressed, I think it's perfectly plausible that within ten years we will be able to tell an AI "create a work of art that is unique, highly meaningful and that would be very difficult or impossible for most humans to create with their hands," and will get a work of art that is, in blinded assessments, competitive with the work of any master. If th…

I’m willing to bet money it will never happen. People said the same about self-driving cars, but the initial razzle-dazzle blinds people to the actual dullness of the algorithms, and obscures their limitations. AI can only recombine what has already been created. It has no ability to imbue art with meaning or to push the medium forward.

What you describe can only happen with general intelligence, not these fancy neural nets. If anything, they will become powerful tools to help artists augment their creativity.

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