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As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Digital art is not permanently interesting. My sympathies go out to people who feel like they will lose some of their business. However, a group of developers has shown what was always true about digital art: its computational art even if you draw it because it is encoded digitally. In other words, it was always going to be reproducible and remixable. The problem with being shocked by Dall-E, in my view, is that it s…

I think you're wrong. Pretty much all human creations can be encoded digitally to a high enough fidelity that the discretization process no longer is distinguishable.

And 3D printers for paintings exist, that can replicate brush strokes and other techniques, and they will only get better over time.

So there's very little left in the human arsenal as the AI generation and AI painting techniques both improve.

https://youtu.be/j-UGcGV4zzw

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Transfer learning to emulate artistic style [0] has been around for the better part of a decade and has had zero impact on artists’ livelihoods. People consume art because they enjoy admiring the human talent that creates it, celebrating that some individuals are capable of extraordinary feats the vast majority of people are incapable of. It’s the same reason people watch sports—they enjoy admiring the top echelon of…

The danger of tools like this is eliminating those margins. This type of automation will eliminate junior graphic designer roles and add new requirements for the experienced graphic designers. Both of these affect the job market by making it harder to get started and stay. There will always be the high end and boutique jobs. The picassos and rembrandts will continue to find work. The starving artist who sells out to…

Not only that, but your average person is not able to asses the quality of an image. Just like the average person could not discern your code (or it’s quality)

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Hire a human and "pick any two: fast, cheap, or good".

Or hire the computer and you can have all three.

You're telling me I don't appreciate the genuine artifact? Well, tell me how realist painters survived film photography, and how film photographers survived digital photography. I'd ask but I don't know any anymore.

Subjectivity defines what is good. This thing makes art as reliably as 9 bucks gets you fries, a coke, and a burger. Talk about disruptive technology.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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I won't pretend that this isn't a troubling development for digital artists, maybe even existentially so. I hope not. One thing that makes me a little hopeful is that every image I've generated with DALL-E 2, even the best ones, would require non-trivial work to make them "good". There's always something wrong, and you can't tell the model "the hat should be tilted about 5 about degrees", or "the hands should not loo…

Considering the staggering speed that image generation is improving, that 10% gap will only continue to close.

Starting e.g. an art education right now seems likely to be extremely nerve-wracking as your talents may very well be woefully obsolete by the time you graduate; the exception perhaps being those top-0.1% talents that will feed the models of the future with new material.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The art that was trained on was all Creative Commons apparently, so perhaps artists should understand licenses first before giving their work a permissive license.

All CC licenses, other than the “CC0 public domain dedication”, require attribution, but CC themselves have taken what I’d consider to be an ass-backwards position on the matter: > At CC, we believe that, as a matter of copyright law, the use of works to train AI should be considered non-infringing by default, assuming that access to the copyright works was lawful at the point of input. https://creativecommons.org/20…

>backwards position

It's not backwards. It's the same as if a human artist studied it.

Backwards would be thinking that any creative work you make is a derivative work of many creative works that you've seen in the past which you aren't copying from.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing people’s work to serve as your training set is not human progress. Sounds like the AI model should be paying royalties to every affected artist for the right to sample their work.

The art that was trained on was all Creative Commons apparently, so perhaps artists should understand licenses first before giving their work a permissive license.

Where is this said? I'm looking at the collection of artists this site is happily offering to rip off (https://twitter.com/arvalis/status/1558632898336501761/photo...) and there's a lot of people with long careers making copyrighted work. I really can't imagine finding a ton of CC work by Bernie Wrightson or Wayne Barlowe or Brom or Junji Ito, for instance.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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I think the tweet author is missing the meat and focusing on the gravy - they themselves indicate that the AI just replicates existing styles, so it will only ever produce existing art styles with the signature AI blurry weirdness on the details. A main hallmark of breakthrough artists is inventing new styles and making them their own, a feat that AI has yet to perform very well (unless you include the aforementioned…

Let's someone creates an AI where you describe your program and it writes it using only existing code snippets. It might put 90% or more of software engineers out of work. Saying "but software engineers who create truly innovative systems, design patterns, languages and approaches will continue to thrive" is very limiting. I fully grasp the concern here. It's not unlike what happened during industrialization, but on…

What you describe sounds ideal for the software industry.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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“A girl in a red dress throwing a Molotov cocktail in a field of flowers in the style of Banksy”

“An obese politician smoking a cigar being held up by a crowd of starving people wearing American flag pants in the style of Norman Rockwell”

“A web page sign up form in the style of Uber”

Content violation or ??. Heck, any cartoon in the New Yorker would probably be a content violation.

The hard part, I think, is art making an “on the edge” statement. If they allowed this, it could easily - and would - be taken too far (depending on what your version of too far is).

I just don’t think human art and all the subtleties behind it can be algorithmically replaced. They weren’t algorithmically created.

Corporate soda ads… that’ll probably get replaced (but will still need layout and mixing)

UI design and video game art (not concept art in game art) seems too precise. And meaningful art seems to have too much in baked human judgments.

I am as afraid of this as I am of Github copilot. Meaning, not much.

DALL-E is super cool, but like AI becoming conscious, I am not holding my breath.

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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post #47

Digital art is not permanently interesting. My sympathies go out to people who feel like they will lose some of their business. However, a group of developers has shown what was always true about digital art: its computational art even if you draw it because it is encoded digitally. In other words, it was always going to be reproducible and remixable. The problem with being shocked by Dall-E, in my view, is that it s…

Indeed, I'll get worried when DALL-E gets sick of everything it has seen, and comes up with something that's new, and maybe not even very good at first, but perseveres until it's recognized as important. All, while earning its living in some soul sucking day job. I'd actually love to see DALL-E take on the greeting card industry. Now that would be fun.

I literally just made a greeting card with DALL-E. Generated the image I wanted and had the card printed and posted to the recepient for no more than buying a pre-exisiting card. Advantage here is that this image concept, which was very tailored to the person, didn't exist anywhere in any form.

All my friends and family will get AI cards now!

Re: As an artist I am concerned about AI image generation

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It's odd as a design manager, I feel like people focus on the wrong things to be alarmed about with DALL-E, and aren't alarmed enough about others.

* feels like there will be a subtle shift from (corporate) designers as creators to designers as technical sheepherders and retouchers. senior designers who have a real nose for art direction and understanding the fundementals will be fine. interns and juniors may get hit with a widening canyon of blindly using these tools without understanding why the "base" styles/logos look good. the act of creation is a learning experience that this removes.

* I feel like phi-y in a different comment has the most accurate read on the situation, given how this will not replace the superstar artists who've already gone through the years of training and sweat-shop work to refine their craft, but the beginner artists who "need" the sweatshop years to get a real-world sense of their craft and the money from the more easily reproducible works.

* there is a difference from using digital art as a tool (say, an apple pencil) to digital art as a resource-crutch (photobashing) when crunched for time or resources. I have mixed feelings about photo bashing as an art but those who rely on the resource-crutch sign may get hit hardest versus the ones that already have the raw illustration skills and can adapt/art-direct on the spot.

* copyright laws are gonna be interesting when people start trying to "base" results on logos like disney and coca-cola and get lawyers sent after them if it's too obvious. My fear is this creates yet another power imbalance between those who have the money to sic lawyers on others versus not.

* I'm mixed on DALL-E because on one hand and to be perfectly blunt, I feel like the most easily reproduced work is ugly/same-y as sin, and lacks all originality compared with the more creative/taboo-art circles who are the first ones to push stylistic and thematic boundaries. I'm not worried about DALL-E replacing styles that are inherently harder to reproduce.

On the other hand ... a sense of grace should be extended to artists who are affected. Being slowly replaced/treated as obsolete is a hard thing to experience, much like how natural age is rough on people's emotional states to the point where it's a type of trauma. It's messy, and it's hard, and I acknowledge there's going to be casualties.

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