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Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by sweetheart »

trention wrote: post #54
tcfhgj wrote: post #24

But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another.

>Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another. I "care about the environment" and I will not "go meatless". I have stopped eating beef entirely and have switched to chicken and fish, with the occasional pork steak. 1 pound of beef has the carbon footprint of ~8 pounds of chicken. Especially in the States, the best thing to do is switch you…

How do you arrive at the conclusion that the best thing to do in the US is switch your meats?

Every form from animal protein is going to be less efficient than plant protein and result in more emissions [1]. There are some amazing Kurzgesagt videos exposing how and why that is true [2].

So since we know that eating animals is not required to be healthy at any stage of life [3] (assuming basic access to required nutrients and what not which is very easy in developed countries) how did you arrive to conclusion that eating chicken is better than eating lentils, beans, etc?

I don’t think what you’re saying is based in fact. I’d love if you tried to prove me wrong though.

1. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/ghg-per-protein-poore

2. https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs

3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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notahacker wrote: post #42
ricardobayes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be 100% sure aldi, or lidl wouldn't put it out there if it wasn't massively profitable. The margins on these products are probably big so even if it doesn't sell well in one region, other regions make up for it.

tbf the selection of artificial meats tends to be very limited in Aldi or Lidl. But that's largely for a different reason: in the more upmarket supermarkets which devote large displays to "meatless meat", it tends to be priced at equal or higher prices than the "premium" processed meat it competes with, even when it's just sausages made of vegetables, not lab-grown stuff with tricky textures. They're not pitching it…

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Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by itsthejb »

LeonardoTolstoy wrote: post #53
OJFord wrote: post #50

The genius of the modern ones is in marketing. Beyond & Impossible are somehow seen as meat competitors, not Quorn & Linda whatsit (I can't even recall the name! Says something itself) competitors. Which of course they are, but somehow the latter are seen as 'for vegetarians/vegans', bought I assume mostly by people who are cooking meat but also have vegetarians coming and have no idea what to do. While somehow the f…

Linda McCartney I assume is what you are referring to. Oddly easy to remember for me once I found out that it is, indeed, made by Paul McCartney's wife.

His late wife… she was however a pretty significant figure in modern vegetarianism

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by tcfhgj »

trention wrote: post #54
tcfhgj wrote: post #24

But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another.

>Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another. I "care about the environment" and I will not "go meatless". I have stopped eating beef entirely and have switched to chicken and fish, with the occasional pork steak. 1 pound of beef has the carbon footprint of ~8 pounds of chicken. Especially in the States, the best thing to do is switch you…

Honestly, if you really do, I think you will sooner or later escape from such behaviour.

Switching meats was my first step

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by ThalesX »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36
ThalesX wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a meat eater, I love mushrooms and I think they are so much better as a healthy food than those weird Beyond meats. I also love vegan patties made with various kind of nuts, beans and veggies. I don’t get this appeal of turning goos and veggies into ‘meat’. Just make them their own thing. You don’t rly have to compete with meat.

"I don’t get this appeal of turning goos and veggies into ‘meat’. Just make them their own thing. You don’t rly have to compete with meat." So, people are supposed to go without the comfort food of childhood completely and are supposed to never get some of the textures of these products? I'm not personally a fan of the beyond meat most of the time, but I do use other fake meat from time to time (Quorn, for example, o…

People are free to do whatever they want of course. As a consumer (and investor having lost a significant amount on Beyond Meat), I think this is a pretty bad differentiator as the product always going to be compared to meat instead of being allowed to be its own thing.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by danielheath »

Lev1a wrote: post #57

Earlier this year I tried some of Burger King's plant-based (vegetarian) alternatives and I'd rate them as "meh". They looked and felt like flatter, drier versions of the regular patties and the flavor wasn't bad but it also lacked something that you just can't really get without real meat. Also IMHO products and companies should be banned from advertising using terms that are directly opposed to the product, like "M…

How is "Meatless Meat" directly opposed but "meat alternative" is not?

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by goethes_kind »

tcfhgj wrote: post #24

But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another.

Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic?

I care about climate change and I will continue eating meat. My carbon footprint is probably still lower than yours.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by zemvpferreira »

wortelefant wrote: post #59
JodieBenitez wrote: post #37

"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, cereals, everything. I can have delicious meals without meat, no need to disguise these as meat, they're fine as-is. And maybe once a week I'll have a delicious piece of cow from my local butcher. But eating some fake industriall…

the "meat" in "meatless meat" describes a texture and taste profile, not an ingredient. It is easier to communicate than, say, "chewy but soft, fibrous proteins which taste is usually determined by umami and maillard reaction flavors". There is a large community around new recipes for this taste profile, e.g. https://seitansociety.com/ . compared to the logistics (animal farming and slaughter pipelines), artificial i…

Comparing the best-grown plant protein with the worst-grown animal protein is a bit disingenuous. I can easily source you an animal carcasse that was 100% pasture-grown and pasture-fed where I know everyone involved in its supply chain, from insemination to distribution. Moreover, that same animal will have been net-positive to its ecossystem through foraging etc etc. It won't be cheap, but health-positive and planet-positive meat exists.

Re: Meatless meat is nothing new

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Post by tcfhgj »

goethes_kind wrote: post #68
tcfhgj wrote: post #24

But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another.

Honestly, the climate deniers have got their wish. What's with this dogmatic bullshit? Do I have to dance to your tune if I do not want to be called a heretic? I care about climate change and I will continue eating meat. My carbon footprint is probably still lower than yours.

Either you don't really care, or cognitive dissonance will catch up with you sooner or later
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