"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, cereals, everything. I can have delicious meals without meat, no need to disguise these as meat, they're fine as-is. And maybe once a week I'll have a delicious piece of cow from my local butcher. But eating some fake industriall…
Maybe you should see this from a marketing POV. If you want to sell "Proteins easy to fry" you will probably fail. But if you sell "Vegan Steak" with the texture and like taste of a steak out of meat, you will have your customers. So the alternatives have no established name and naming it "meat" will make sense. And yes ... it's processed and no I think it's not healthy for day to day consumption (like coke) but once…
Meatless meat is nothing new
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#52I don't understand how can those companies afford to put those fake meat sections on all supermarkets across the globe. At least in my european country all supermarkets seem to have this section and from what I've been told most of the products just end up being thrown away because nobody is buying them. I assume they expect to lose a lot of money now but then to make it big at some point in the future. But those com…
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#53The genius of the modern ones is in marketing. Beyond & Impossible are somehow seen as meat competitors, not Quorn & Linda whatsit (I can't even recall the name! Says something itself) competitors. Which of course they are, but somehow the latter are seen as 'for vegetarians/vegans', bought I assume mostly by people who are cooking meat but also have vegetarians coming and have no idea what to do. While somehow the f…
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#54But various ecological crisis are becoming more and more obvious to everyone. Anyone who cares about the environment including ecosystem breakdown and climate change will go meatless one way or another.
I "care about the environment" and I will not "go meatless". I have stopped eating beef entirely and have switched to chicken and fish, with the occasional pork steak. 1 pound of beef has the carbon footprint of ~8 pounds of chicken. Especially in the States, the best thing to do is switch your meats.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a tangent, but so much of the supermarket nowadays is junk. Go to the protein section, and there is literally no product that is just protein, everything has added artificial sweetener or some lab concoction with god knows what. Go to the frozen food section. 80% junk. Ice cream, frozen potato chips, frozen pizzas. Oh look, some frozen fruit in the corner. Go to the cereals section. 80% junk. If you look real…
I never seen frozen fruit, but frozen vegetables are super common.
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#56Why does plant based meat costs more than actual meat ?
Most vegetable products have a content of protein so low that the cost per protein mass is higher than for the cheaper kinds of meat, e.g. chicken meat.
The main exceptions, which can provide cheap-enough proteins, are various cereals and legumes.
While the proteins from plants are cheaper than those from meat, the difference is not huge. Where I live, in Europe, the ratio between price and protein content for wheat floor is only 3 times less than for chicken breast, while for lentils is only 2 times less than for chicken breast. For other cereals or legumes, the costs are even higher.
So, to remain cheaper than meat, the cost of protein extraction and of its further processing to make its taste and texture similar to meat must not increase the cost more than 2 or 3 times. This is not at all easy, because even bread is usually at least 2 times more expensive than the wheat floor used for it, and bread requires much simpler processing than artificial meat.
Protein extraction is simpler for the gluten of wheat, because gluten is insoluble in water, while starch is made of loosely-attached grains that can be washed away. Even so, extracting the proteins from wheat requires a lot of water and time.
Extracting the proteins from other plants is more complex and it may require the addition of various salts or solvents to the plant source, to create conditions where the proteins can be separated from the substances they are mixed with, and whatever is added must then be removed in another step of the process.
So besides the cost of the plant source, extracting the proteins has additional costs for water, chemicals and energy.
Similar additional costs are needed for transforming the proteins to have a meat-like texture and taste.
The cost of the plant source of the proteins ends being a very small fraction of the cost.
Then there is, as the other commentators have mentioned, the inefficiency of small-scale production.
The result is that I have not seen yet not only any meat substitute that is not many times more expensive than meat, but not even any kind of raw protein extracts from plants that are not many times more expensive than meat.
The only way that I have seen in which is possible to make a meat substitute that is cheaper than real meat (in Europe, i.e. where soy is too expensive as a protein source) is too make at home gluten from wheat floor (i.e. not accounting costs for water, energy and work time). Any kind of commercial product would be more expensive than real meat.
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#57They looked and felt like flatter, drier versions of the regular patties and the flavor wasn't bad but it also lacked something that you just can't really get without real meat.
Also IMHO products and companies should be banned from advertising using terms that are directly opposed to the product, like "Meatless Meat", "Fischstäbchen ohne Fisch" ("fish sticks without fish", a slogan by "iglo" for what's essentially just breaded veggie sticks). Just honestly call those products what they are, "meat alternatives", "meat replacements", "vegetarian/vegan alternatives", etc. These would all be perfectly fine and in time people will get the idea.
And I say this all as someone who really likes meat and is curious about trying things like insect-based protein in the future but also really likes purely vegetarian or even vegan dishes.
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#58Why does plant based meat costs more than actual meat ?
It’s maddening when people use the myth that “veganism is classist because it’s much more expensive” to justify their penchant for animal abuse because they couldn’t be more wrong.
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#59"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, cereals, everything. I can have delicious meals without meat, no need to disguise these as meat, they're fine as-is. And maybe once a week I'll have a delicious piece of cow from my local butcher. But eating some fake industriall…
There is a large community around new recipes for this taste profile, e.g. https://seitansociety.com/ .
compared to the logistics (animal farming and slaughter pipelines), artificial inseminations, medical interventions (antibiotics), storage and food safety concerns around meat, plus the incredible daily amount of animal suffering caused by this consumption, I don't see meat as a "natural" product. all the steps in the "production" process can introduce factors that can degrade the quality and be risky to health (e.g. not cooled at appropriate temperature, antibiotics treatments to animals etc), while with plant proteins, you have far less processing steps between field and table. to vegans and people concerned with reducing global warming, the benefits outweigh the different composition by far.
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#60"Meatless meat". That doesn't make any sense. I enjoy quality meat. I'm all for consuming much less meat. In fact, that's already what I do day to day. I enjoy vegetables, fruits, mushrooms, cereals, everything. I can have delicious meals without meat, no need to disguise these as meat, they're fine as-is. And maybe once a week I'll have a delicious piece of cow from my local butcher. But eating some fake industriall…