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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by bckygldstn »

harikb wrote: post #129
pmulard wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

Do you use a gas powered stove? My friends won't stop sending me links to articles detailing the cancer causing bad stuff in the natural gas stoves :o If not, are there good electric stoves that work with hard cast iron pans? I have seen the mess heavy cookware creates on those glass top cooktops - old style coils seems to be best for those.

By mess do you mean scratching the glass surface? My ~$15 lodge cast iron has been fine on the electric stovetops in my last 3 apartments. They weren't super high quality cooktops either: the last nonstick pan I owned scratched the crap out of one of them in a matter of days.

I don't move the cast iron pan around a lot when I cook, but they're too heavy to do that anyway really, and unlike some thin stainless pans they don't warp so won't "walk" around the surface.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by munk-a »

keester wrote: post #132
pmulard wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cook eggs on cast iron without them sticking, but it requires maintenance on the seasoning. The trick is to use some butter when cooking with eggs, and they slide right off. A quick wipe with a paper towel and the pan is clean (leaving butter residue helps keep it oiled for next time). Cast iron is a pain to clean if you burn food and the burnt pieces stick, but the investment into learning how to cook with it is w…

I have no trouble at all cleaning cast iron skillets as long as I put it under some water while it's still hot and give it a little wipe. Doesn't seem to affect the seasoning either ..

Putting a bit of water (or other liquid) in hot pans is a generally good idea to turn your fond into a sauce anyways - it's a technique called de-glazing[1].

You should avoid putting some cookwear directly into cool water though - the temperature shock can cause cracking and other damage if it's coated. I don't have a great rule of thumb for this, you should just double check any advice you can find specific to your cookwear.

1. https://www.bonappetit.com/story/what-does-deglaze-mean

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by jadams5 »

For folks having issues with food sticking to cast iron or carbon steel, try learning to cook on stainless. It's much more prone to sticking, but if you can get the technique down well enough to not have eggs stick on stainless then switch to cast it's a walk in the park.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #90
dacohenii wrote: post #71

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25%? Like, one-quarter of the mass of the salad bowl? Not parts-per-million?

yes, PFAS based chemicals are the replacement for wax in 'waxed paper' style products.

Why not just stick to wax?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by greedo »

jbotdev wrote: post #40
daveyjonezz wrote: post #31

Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

Cast iron is also very heavy, and hard to clean if you get anything stuck to it. You can’t really soak or wash it with soap/water without re-seasoning it or it’ll rust. It has its upsides if you put in the work. I’ve given up and opted for mid-range non-stick (coated steel and/or copper, not anodized aluminum) or high end stainless.

I use water and soap every day cleaning mine. If you get something really stuck you can heat the pan up, then add hot water to it. It basically boils the stuck stuff off. You just need to be careful not to crack the pan.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by hombre_fatal »

dataangel wrote: post #89
ars wrote: post #72

This title is editorialized, it does not say "cookware". This study is about PFAS, NOT cookware.

Not sure that counts as editorializing, isn't cookware where most people would get PFAS exposure?

I don't think so, since it's found everywhere like in your water and meat. In fact, focusing on cookware seems to understate the issue and leads people to just argue about which pan is the best while missing the point.

I'm sure it was editorialized by TFA because cookware is more concrete for readers to latch onto than "PFAS", an initialism people are only learning about this week.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by ubercore »

pmlnr wrote: post #133
harikb wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use a gas powered stove? My friends won't stop sending me links to articles detailing the cancer causing bad stuff in the natural gas stoves :o If not, are there good electric stoves that work with hard cast iron pans? I have seen the mess heavy cookware creates on those glass top cooktops - old style coils seems to be best for those.

Induction works exceptionally well with cast iron, but not with carbon steel.

Why do you say it doesn't work well with carbon steel?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by ubercore »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #86
jimmaswell wrote: post #61

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> Eggs overeasy without breaking the yolk is really hard though. This is strange to hear from a professional chef. I cook eggs overeasy on my cast iron all the time. What works for me is preheating the pan on moderate heat for a minute or two, putting in a bit of butter, and using a metal spatula. Haven't had a broken egg in forever. I've certainly found you need less oil to prevent sticking on a well-seasoned cast i…

> cook eggs overeasy on my cast iron all the time Cast iron is great in a professional kitchen. It wears well. And it benefits from frequent use. Most home cooks won't use their cast iron cookware daily, let alone multiple times a day. That affects the seasoning.

This is FUD. Cast iron seasoning has been mythologized, it's not that hard to maintain good seasoning. Even if you wash with some soap.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by flutetornado »

I have been using oil infused Ceramic cookware from Calphalon (Classic). The handles are made of stainless steel which stays cool despite all the cooking. Quite convenient. Works very well as a replacement for Teflon based non stick cookware I used to use earlier. It's not perfect but using a bit of butter or oil when cooking gives good results.

More details about various varieties here: https://www.calphalon.com/supportShow?cfid=cookware-use-and-...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by samstave »

kldavis4 wrote: post #80
mensetmanusman wrote: post #67

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Humanity probably needs plastics, I can’t see how we go back. Also, it’s interesting to consider whether >50% sugar induced obesity rates are having a larger effect on quality of life…

perhaps ironically, it may be the chemicals in our environment and not dietary choices which are driving high obesity rates: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

"The chemicals are turing the plebs fat!"

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Seriously, While travelling SE Asia, every single rice field from Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Japan.... etc.

It was REALLY common to see the petro-chem signs in the fields advertising the petro-chemical compound's name brands. (I couldnt read local languages and the 'English' name brands were not what we have here, so they didnt form a stark imprint... But the root OEM was mostly Monsanto et al ptrochems.

The point being, and this will be controversial, but its true:

There are a much higher % of trans/gay folks in these rural communities whereby the entire water table is permeated with petrochems. and their water, while treated, is still victim to contaminants of the petro chems in the water. (Its all about the Endocrines)

SOURCE: My FIL was the civil-hydro engineer for the largest water plant in Mindanao Philippines. His son was on the board of the "rice consortium" (I cant recall what it was called -- the governmental agency concerned with ensuring that everyone in the PH has access to rice as the main staple foodsource, and more about pesticides. Think of NASCAR branding of vehicles. (like Shell Oil) - but now imagine PESTICIDE branding of rice farms... with label signs for the pesticides being used.

Recall when Indian farmers were committing suicide over GMO seeds that produced no yield and they killed themselves before they could starve to death?

So I got rice production and water production information from these two engineers... And the dots were compelling.

Its the same type of contamination the fish are receiving from SunScreen.

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