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Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by dacohenii »

hammock wrote: post #34
oldstrangers wrote: post #16

They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

Notably, PFAS are in the food supply chain to a significant and non transparent degree. Those compostable fiber salad bowls are up to 25% PFAS. The extruders that make your dried pasta and other machine parts that make other processed foods are coated with PFAS. The paper that your sandwich is packed in is coated with PFAS. The paper straw that replaced your plastic one, to save the turtles...is coated with PFAS. Did…

25%? Like, one-quarter of the mass of the salad bowl? Not parts-per-million?

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by germinalphrase »

jbotdev wrote: post #40
daveyjonezz wrote: post #31

Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

Cast iron is also very heavy, and hard to clean if you get anything stuck to it. You can’t really soak or wash it with soap/water without re-seasoning it or it’ll rust. It has its upsides if you put in the work. I’ve given up and opted for mid-range non-stick (coated steel and/or copper, not anodized aluminum) or high end stainless.

I frequently soak and wash my cast iron. It retains seasoning and won’t rust so long as I dry it after. I also will typically coat them with a very thin layer of oil, but haven’t found it to be strictly necessary.

That said, I have mostly transitioned to stainless.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by samstave »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #67
samstave wrote: post #62

It set us up the DOCUMENTARY for great justice https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7689910/ Teflon is the most biologically sinister chemical. We need to hold the entire petrol-chemical industry to account. A dear friend of mine is the niece of one of the most successful board members of Shell. Shell is likely the most corrupt-environmentally-speaking companies on the globe. (history of When we went to dinner, they were sha…

Humanity probably needs plastics, I can’t see how we go back. Also, it’s interesting to consider whether >50% sugar induced obesity rates are having a larger effect on quality of life…

OMG - I was on a flight with one of the biggest lobbyists in DC for the sugar industry.

This lady opened up to me about just how evil that industry is, and how the family emmigrated to the US via cuba by falsley claiming they were religious refugees and needed to establish a foot-hold in miami (but they werent cubans, they were criminals, and she spoke about how she helped set this family up and how she manages their accounts)

Y'all may not think there is money laundering on every level - but there is.

The sugar industry run by this family is unpluss-good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanjul_brothers

These motherfuckers posed as religious refugees. They are the biggest drug dealers you have ever not known.

She was their personal lobbyist. And for whatever reason came clean to me on a flight to DC....

Reduce your sugar.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by pier25 »

elil17 wrote: post #2

The study didn’t actually find anything related to cookware. Modern Teflon in the US doesn’t expose people to PFOA/PFOS like old version did due to new regulations. The chemicals could also be entering peoples body’s through drinking water or bioaccumulation in meat or plants. You should throw away nonstick cookware from before 2013, but new nonstick cookware sold in the US does not have PFOA. I believe the EU follow…

> I want to add that a lot of cool startups are working on PFAS remediation

Just use cast iron stuff. Done.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by jimmaswell »

jbotdev wrote: post #40
daveyjonezz wrote: post #31

Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

Cast iron is also very heavy, and hard to clean if you get anything stuck to it. You can’t really soak or wash it with soap/water without re-seasoning it or it’ll rust. It has its upsides if you put in the work. I’ve given up and opted for mid-range non-stick (coated steel and/or copper, not anodized aluminum) or high end stainless.

I barely have to clean mine anymore. When something does get a bit stuck, I just boil a bit of water in it and it comes right out with a light swipe of some chainmail.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by mdavis6890 »

I think there is very little meat on the bone here. Possible? Sure! Certain? Hardly.

Of course we’re going to start turning up chemicals in our bodies that weren’t there before we started using them. And the increased prevalence guarantees that they will be there more often when you look for them in people with e.g. liver cancer. But so what?

And taking about a rate of a disease is easily confounded by more frequent and more sensitive testing.

Likely this is just in the very large bucket of studies that pick up spurious correlations. But like all of them - maybe it’s not spurious!

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by drewcoo »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #28
oldstrangers wrote: post #16

They're finding PFAS in everything now. https://www.consumerreports.org/bottled-water/pfas-in-bottle... https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gban/rainwater-everywhere-... https://www.dcourier.com/news/2022/aug/11/prescott-valley-sh...

I just read that rainwater around the world is unsafe to drink because of PFAS contamination. https://phys.org/news/2022-08-rainwater-unsafe-due-chemicals...

Made me wonder how much of it we're breathing. Especially in the fog if it's waterborne.

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by pier25 »

jbotdev wrote: post #40
daveyjonezz wrote: post #31

Cast iron pans are cheap, will outlive you, and work nearly as well with enough seasoning / butter :)

Cast iron is also very heavy, and hard to clean if you get anything stuck to it. You can’t really soak or wash it with soap/water without re-seasoning it or it’ll rust. It has its upsides if you put in the work. I’ve given up and opted for mid-range non-stick (coated steel and/or copper, not anodized aluminum) or high end stainless.

> if you get anything stuck to it

We bought these Lodge scrappers and they remove anything stuck to it.

https://www.lodgecastiron.com/product/pan-scrapers?sku=SCRAP...

Hot water and this kind of brush is all you need to clean cast iron:

https://www.lodgecastiron.com/product/scrub-brush?sku=SCRBRS...

Re: Study finds link between 'forever chemicals' in cookware and liver cancer

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Post by kldavis4 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #67
samstave wrote: post #62

It set us up the DOCUMENTARY for great justice https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7689910/ Teflon is the most biologically sinister chemical. We need to hold the entire petrol-chemical industry to account. A dear friend of mine is the niece of one of the most successful board members of Shell. Shell is likely the most corrupt-environmentally-speaking companies on the globe. (history of When we went to dinner, they were sha…

Humanity probably needs plastics, I can’t see how we go back. Also, it’s interesting to consider whether >50% sugar induced obesity rates are having a larger effect on quality of life…

perhaps ironically, it may be the chemicals in our environment and not dietary choices which are driving high obesity rates: https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...
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