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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by deepsquirrelnet »

If I’m working a job where I really need performance, I try my hardest to get a desktop. The last 20 years of hardware development has not replaced the workstation for even light computational workloads.

My biggest frustration with remote work so far is the corporate fixation with laptops. For some types of work, performance isn’t just a convenience, but weeks of lost productivity. If the difference between the 11th and 12th generation of Intel in your laptop really moves the needle for you, you’re using the wrong form factor to do your work.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by qzw »

philliphaydon wrote: post #224
gkkirilov wrote: post #221

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small companies have less resources?

Which is why it will take time… but they are not even entertaining the idea.

I would love to see them add an AMD (and even ARM) option, but right now I applaud them for being tight-lipped about any future developments. What would they gain by acknowledging that they’re entertaining such ideas? People postponing their purchases, endlessly asking for ETA updates, getting mad when there are delays, etc. They’re much better off saying nothing and doing the work in the background. I also would understand if they choose not to offer a second CPU platform at this point. From their standpoint, it’s hugely expensive and time consuming to develop, potentially doubles their QA and support costs, makes their supply chain and inventory story more complicated, and probably makes their relationship with Intel a little worse. And realistically, they won’t get double the sales from just having an AMD option. So I would be pleasantly surprised if they offer an AMD option within 3 years, but I’m not holding my breath.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jvanderbot »

stewbrew wrote: post #428
jvanderbot wrote: post #282

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I'd like to point out that Intel allows you to tune the cores for whatever profile you want. Sure, it's not "same performance, less noise", but you can get something like an 80/20 (80% performance, 20% noise) by just scaling back the core frequencies a little. I tune my intel machine down to 8x3.2 Ghz, and can run without fans (on small form factor PC), but sometimes want the full 4+Ghz, but it's loud. This can be do…

Could you please be more specific? Are you talking about Windows or Linux? Do you mind giving some references for how to scale core frequencies application-wise? Thanks.

It's windows only, sadly. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/17881/intel...

There's a very simple menu system to scale up and down the core frequencies, and to select application execution profiles. It comes with internal temp and voltage monitors, and built-in stress tests to benchmark.

My main tips are to remove thermal boost, remove core scaling (the heterogeneous frequencies it assigns when only a few cores are active vs all), and to cap all cores to 3-4Ghz, depending on the quality of your passive cooling.

No bios adjustments needed, no restarts required, and built-in watchdog to revert if things go poorly. Really nice.

Recent, huge bug though: On some platforms, it requires disabling visualization, which limits use of the WSL. That had better be fixed ASAP, it's a big deal.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by sdoering »

Torifyme12 wrote: post #216
newman314 wrote: post #198

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Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

Your infosec department doesn't know how to stage patches then and should be ashamed.

They should not be named "sec". It isn't security. It is compliance.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by sdoering »

hedora wrote: post #429
alt227 wrote: post #239

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>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces s…

I treat each laptop reboot (regardless of reason) as an unexpected crash. If the laptop crashes more than once a week, I simply won't use it. If I worked at your company, I'd just BYOD, and keep your garbage laptop in a drawer, only booting for compliancy crap (and certainly not leaving it on long enough to download updates). I've actually done this at a previous job or two. It was fine. Both (large behemoth) compani…

I would. If there wasn't the teeny bit of SSO that means I can't access any relevant work software on a non endpoint managed machine.

Office? Gitlab? Jira? Confluence? Any code at all? Adobe Experience Cloud? Any Google Service? Adobe Creative Cloud? Our Time and Expenses Tooling?

All locked behind SSO with EPM enforced. Additionally nearly all internal resources are only accessible via VPN. And guess what - only usable on EPM devices.

When I started I received a device, SDD encrypted me being root. After being acquired by big corp we now are in compliance world. Parts of that would have come regardless of big corp due to client requirements.

But a lot of this is quite taxing.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by sdoering »

Torifyme12 wrote: post #217
speedgoose wrote: post #189

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2 hours on a M1 is beyond corporate garbage. It's like they try to use as much power as possible, perhaps more than one process is stuck in an infinite loop.

Sounds like a shit EDR that's constantly scanning every file

First tool all files every hour. Virus scan on file change. Second tool scans also but I don't yet know the frequency.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Spooky23 »

hedora wrote: post #431
Spooky23 wrote: post #254

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Probably because with work at home there’s no WOL. We disabled sleep to improve battery life and address a personal safety issue. There are many failure scenarios between various builds of Windows 10 and shitty drivers. Devices often wake up in bags and spin up fans until dead. Normal scenario is that the battery is dead in the morning. In one case, it melted the compartment material in a bag and was deemed a safety…

If it's a safety hazard, tell the OEM to repair the entire fleet. Problem solved.

Takes awhile to bring back 20k laptops!

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by brailsafe »

Fiahil wrote: post #280
brailsafe wrote: post #200

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Out of curiosity, and aside from Teams which I'm already sadly familiar with, what software is it that you're talking about? Company I work for was just bought by some megacorp, but I'm still using my own 2019 13" MBP for now.

Symantec, Microsoft Defender (this shit is insane), Netskope and ZScaler

Msft defender on mac!?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jjtheblunt »

dboreham wrote: post #59
MBCook wrote: post #16

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It’s not drive. Just investment. There is no demand for high performance desktop/laptop ARM CPUs outside Apple. Chromebooks are mostly low price, and may lack the software to truly push the chips often (without dropping into dev mode). Windows on ARM seems to be a near failure. Very little native software and x86(-64) emulation is far slower than Rosetta. May not matter, they seem to be low cost machines anyway. Linu…

> Windows on ARM seems to be a near failure. Very little native software and x86(-64) emulation is far slower than Rosetta. I'm very happy with my SP X running insider Windows 11 and WSL2. You couldn't pry it from my dead fingers for travel use right now.

absolutely the same

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by lelanthran »

asdff wrote: post #432
lelanthran wrote: post #400

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> That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Not really. My M1, used for email, browsing, some xterms, some emacs, 3 or 4 video meetings and the Goland IDE, only gets about 5 hours. When new it was a little longer than that.

That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server).

> That is actually terrible. I put a new battery into my 2012 macbook and I get about that much battery life with similar usage (although my compute is done on a server).

My compute[1] is done locally only. My personal laptop is an HP Victus, it gets around 7 hours because I don't compute locally, which makes the M1 look okay in comparison.

I always wonder about these people who claim the M1 can last a full day without needing to be charged - they can't be developing on the thing, can they? If they're not doing computations on the thing, then the battery life is quite similar to all other non-gaming laptops in that price range.

[1] If by 'compute' you mean compiling code, running it, debugging it, etc

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