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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by l8rlump »

pkid wrote: post #365
deaddodo wrote: post #299

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I have a laptop with the AMD 6900HS. The CPU is great. It’s power envelope and performance feel amazing. My biggest complaint is the there is a very limited selection of Laptops with AMD’s chips, especially the top tier. The one I bought required me to replace the Wifi/Bluetooth card (it came with a barely “supported” MediaTek one) for Linux.

I have loved Linux for a couple decades. It was a difficult decision to migrate to the M1. Linux is so much more responsive and pliable. However Asus encouraged me. After owning three of their laptops in the past 18 months that began to fall apart anywhere from 3-12 months-I was done. Unfortunately most 5/6900hs laptops are not flagship quality. Typically they are lower-mid range gaming units. This is my first mac. T…

I haven't made the switch yet as my old Lenovo is still hanging on. Would you mind expanding on your gripes with MacOS, in particular the comment about responsiveness?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Manouchehri »

buildbot wrote: post #267
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Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

I love the ARM frontend casually thrown in there, I wonder if that project is back on the table these days.

The AMD PSP is already an ARM chip in your amd64 CPU.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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ben-schaaf wrote: post #348
brokenmachine wrote: post #99

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>6800U is awesome from what I’ve seen — better efficiency by far The 6800U is only a 5% efficiency increase over 5800U, I agree that the GPU is _much_ better though. https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-6800U-Efficiency-R...

That article actually shows %5 worse efficiency over a 5600U in a heavy single threaded workload. It's a bit apples to oranges and there's a lot more to efficiency on a laptop than heavy single core workloads.

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by senttoschool »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #281
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To clarify, Cinebench correlates poorly with gaming, office software, web browsing, and video editing. Those are what the vast majority of people buying laptops will use it for. For people that code, it also correlates poorly with parallel code compilation.

Anandtech benchmark puts Intel 12900K on top for both RISCV toolchain compilation and Cinebench.

12900K is the fastest x86 DIY CPU available. It'll be tops in nearly all benchmarks and applications.

You can say the same about gaming. It's tops in Cinebench and most games. Therefore Cinebench and gaming must have a high correlation? No.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by senttoschool »

nabakin wrote: post #318
senttoschool wrote: post #269

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To clarify, Cinebench correlates poorly with gaming, office software, web browsing, and video editing. Those are what the vast majority of people buying laptops will use it for. For people that code, it also correlates poorly with parallel code compilation.

Thanks for your input, this isn't said enough. So many CPU benchmarks aren't effective at evaluating the general use case and yet are held up as this golden standard

It's because Cinebench was disproportionately favoring the Zen architecture so AMD pushed it in marketing.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by stewbrew »

qzw wrote: post #385
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Intel is in an even better position now than last month, being handed $billions ($tens of billions?) of US tax dollars to fund building new fabs, which they would have had to build anyway. That will free up money to use in undercutting chip pricing, helping to bury AMD again.

Intel should realize at this point that their existential threat comes from TSMC, not AMD. AMD is one competitor, but TSMC is giving a huge boost to all of their competitors, particularly the ARM vendors who won’t just take some x86 market share but potentially destroy the entire x86 market at some point in the future.

IIRC intel also builds some chips with TSMC.

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Post by SenHeng »

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Should I? I have docker-desktop for the things I need it for - building the odd linux native image, or running testcontainers for postgres, same as we do when building on linux - and it works great. But for the day to day stuff, no.

I’ve been considering an M2 air with maxed out ram for development and I’ve been wondering what kind of memory pressure people with Airs are facing. On Intel I needed 32mb for all the containers at work, with a fairly modest CPU, but I expect my own projects to be a bit lighter. None of the reviews are useful. All useless junk about exporting 8k videos.

The only person doing that kind of content is Alex Ziskind. He compares various dev tools, build times, ML tools across Apple Silicon, Intel or Mac and PCs.

https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderZiskind

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by stewbrew »

jvanderbot wrote: post #282
stewbrew wrote: post #22

What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?

I'd like to point out that Intel allows you to tune the cores for whatever profile you want. Sure, it's not "same performance, less noise", but you can get something like an 80/20 (80% performance, 20% noise) by just scaling back the core frequencies a little. I tune my intel machine down to 8x3.2 Ghz, and can run without fans (on small form factor PC), but sometimes want the full 4+Ghz, but it's loud. This can be do…

Could you please be more specific? Are you talking about Windows or Linux? Do you mind giving some references for how to scale core frequencies application-wise? Thanks.

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Post by hedora »

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Recently discovered that Infosec has now mandated that all laptops have sleep disabled (the reason given is to be able to do endpoint patching). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day or suck up the cost of keeping the laptop on. /r/maliciouscompliance, here I come I suppose. Tempted to get one of these: https://us.amazon.com/Vegamax-Button-Ethernet-Internet-Netwo...

>So I'm faced with having to log out and power off every day When did this become a chore? I do this as standard and imo all people should. SSD Boot times these days are mostly under a minute and you get a fresh desktop every time. EDIT: In fact I am one of the sysadmins which so many seem to despise on here. I have hybrid sleep and fast startup disabled by group policy on all my windows domain networks. It reduces s…

I treat each laptop reboot (regardless of reason) as an unexpected crash.

If the laptop crashes more than once a week, I simply won't use it. If I worked at your company, I'd just BYOD, and keep your garbage laptop in a drawer, only booting for compliancy crap (and certainly not leaving it on long enough to download updates).

I've actually done this at a previous job or two. It was fine. Both (large behemoth) companies ended up cratering, at least partially due to chasing away competent employees with boneheaded corporate policies.

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Post by asdff »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

What's wrong with fan noise? throw on headphones. If anything I wish my fans would go louder and harder. Nothing I hate more than a throttling laptop.
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