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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ripply »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #207
Nursie wrote: post #119

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Should I? I have docker-desktop for the things I need it for - building the odd linux native image, or running testcontainers for postgres, same as we do when building on linux - and it works great. But for the day to day stuff, no.

I’ve been considering an M2 air with maxed out ram for development and I’ve been wondering what kind of memory pressure people with Airs are facing. On Intel I needed 32mb for all the containers at work, with a fairly modest CPU, but I expect my own projects to be a bit lighter. None of the reviews are useful. All useless junk about exporting 8k videos.

I've got a maxed out ram M2 that I use for development.

I run Linux in Parallels with 16gb allocated and it runs great at around 50% memory pressure. MacOS compresses the memory that Linux doesn't use and it runs amazing.

We have slightly different use cases as I prefer developing in Linux as opposed to MacOS, but I'd imagine you would be fine depending on how actually memory intensive your containers are?

The thermal throttling the reviews complain about isn't a problem for me, though I prioritize power usage over raw power since I often run it off of solar.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ncmncm »

deaddodo wrote: post #299
pedrocr wrote: post #123

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

I have a laptop with the AMD 6900HS. The CPU is great. It’s power envelope and performance feel amazing. My biggest complaint is the there is a very limited selection of Laptops with AMD’s chips, especially the top tier. The one I bought required me to replace the Wifi/Bluetooth card (it came with a barely “supported” MediaTek one) for Linux.

Razer 14"? Or Dell Alienware?

Lenovo's is the only one I find with 16" 3840x2400 OLED, but just a 6850, $2800. Or with 6950 but just 1920x1200, $2635. None with both. Advantage, Radeon R6500M GPU. Doesn't say which wifi it has.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/search?fq=&text=21D4000HUS

Dell has a 17" 6900HX, 4k, 32G RAM, RX6850 GPU, $2800. Or 6800H and RX6700, $2550. Mediatek MT7921 wifi...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-...

But I swore never to buy another Lenovo. Or Dell. Hoping I won't have to swear off ASUS too.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

Same. I prefer that the manufacturer dictates to me how I use my end user Apple device as long as it has marginally better battery life.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by pkid »

deaddodo wrote: post #299
pedrocr wrote: post #123

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The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

I have a laptop with the AMD 6900HS. The CPU is great. It’s power envelope and performance feel amazing. My biggest complaint is the there is a very limited selection of Laptops with AMD’s chips, especially the top tier. The one I bought required me to replace the Wifi/Bluetooth card (it came with a barely “supported” MediaTek one) for Linux.

I have loved Linux for a couple decades. It was a difficult decision to migrate to the M1. Linux is so much more responsive and pliable. However Asus encouraged me. After owning three of their laptops in the past 18 months that began to fall apart anywhere from 3-12 months-I was done. Unfortunately most 5/6900hs laptops are not flagship quality. Typically they are lower-mid range gaming units. This is my first mac. The build quality is exceptional. I will just say I was expecting a better experience from an OS built by a trillion dollar company.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by vel0city »

pedrocr wrote: post #123
SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

The AMD offerings are much closer to M1 although they're not yet on TSMC 5nm so they don't quite match it. It's a historic event. Intel was #1 in laptops for an eternity. Even when the Pentium 4 was being outclassed by AMD Intel still kept the crown in mobile. This time around they first got overtaken by AMD and then by Apple and are now #3. Puts into perspective how huge of a miss their process node fail was.

Its really interesting with Intel on mobile platforms during the P4 era. Their P4 mobile chips were often terrible for temps and power use, but their Centrino/Pentium M platform was excellent despite being based on the PIII. The P4's architecture became a dead end, while the Pentium M's essentially continued to be improved, scaled up, and became the Core series.

If they had tried to force the P4 mobiles instead of rethinking and retooling the PIII core with some of the P4's FSB innovations and other things, they probably wouldn't of had as competitive mobile processors and maybe wouldn't have dethroned AMD a few years later.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ncmncm »

snek_case wrote: post #346
tester756 wrote: post #199

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Jim Keller? IC: A few people consider you 'The Father of Zen', do you think you’d scribe to that position? Or should that go to somebody else? JK: Perhaps one of the uncles. There were a lot of really great people on Zen. There was a methodology team that was worldwide, the SoC team was partly in Austin and partly in India, the floating-point cache was done in Colorado, the core execution front end was in Austin, the…

Wait, floating-point cache? Does it cache FP operation results? Where can I read more about this?

Probably inner-loop op sequences.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by bejelentkezni »

azeirah wrote: post #166
xattt wrote: post #141

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Let me just get the tooling set up on the dining room table, I am sure my spouse won’t mind …

You're not allowed to have hobbies or tinker around? :(

I think it's more of a "people are getting tired of internet DIY projects that require thousands of dollars of tooling and existing materials."

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by riquito »

ceeplusplus wrote: post #357
pizza234 wrote: post #355

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Compared with the Phoronix Suite, on Linux, just today: https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m2-linux/15 . Surprising results. Definitely not in the "very far" range.

From your link: "Even under demanding multi-threaded workloads, the M2 MacBook Air was not nearly as warm as the other laptops tested" Keep in mind the 6850U you're comparing against has a fan too. Notebookcheck says it has a 40W turbo on the gen 2 model, and the gen 3 Intel version has a 28W sustained boost. An M2 uses around 20W. Also, a lot of those benchmarks are showing all x86 CPUs with a 3x+ lead, which indica…

You moved the discussion from performance to thermal/power very fast, guess you didn't like the benchmarks

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jrockway »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #323
jrockway wrote: post #112

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Does it matter? I have a Threadripper 3970x and an M1 Macbook Air. For anything that can't use more than 4 cores, the M1 crushes it. The Threadripper also draws over 100W at idle. Whatever AMD and Intel have right now are completely irrelevant, and I say that as one of the biggest haters of OS X there is. I'm not trading in my workstation for a Mac Studio or whatever, though, because I'm guessing AMD's 5nm chips will…

For a site about "hacker" news, this comment is wild to me. It seems we've truly reached the apex of disposable consumer culture, where even our most powerful technology is something we just throw in the trash and re-purchase when something fails or newer technology becomes available. I can only hope that companies like Framework can reverse some of this trend. Because as it stands, our already unsustainable culture…

I guess "stuff" isn't really the problem with the current society. If you write software for a living, the company that has a 50% faster hack/test/ship cycle is the one that wins the market. It is a shame that you have to throw away a power supply, keyboard, and screen every few years to get that faster cycle, and Framework helps there.

But at the same time, the chips that Framework uses waste valuable electricity and don't perform particularly well. That's just where Intel is at right now. That is likely to change, and Framework is interesting from the standpoint of "when Intel gets their act together, look at our balance of performance and sustainability". That's not where they're at right now, though. Not Frameworks' fault; nobody is selling mobile arm64 chips that have remotely competitive performance. It's the late 1970s again; hopefully the clones show up to kill "IBM" again.

Realistically, people are burning the rainforest to sell pictures of smoking monkeys and burn dead dinosaurs to drive to get coffee every morning. Recycling your laptop's screen every 5 years is not really making a dent into our current planet-killing habits. It feels good to help in a small way, but what feels good is not necessarily meaningful.

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