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California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Re: California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

acdha wrote: post #77
misiti3780 wrote: post #75

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how do you need a PhD to google "Tesla FSD" on youtube and watch some videos. Your claim is ridiculous.

Keep going: you do that, and you find a Tesla fanboy’s reaction saying the problems are overblown and will be fixed soon with a software update. Who’s right? Being able to answer that confidently requires some understanding of the problem domain which not everyone has. This is especially true for these big claims where people might think that a large company wouldn’t rationally make claims like this which would expos…

> Being able to answer that confidently requires some understanding of the problem domain which not everyone has

Not really.

All it really takes is a brief look at history to determine that Elon Musk has been saying FSD is less than 6 months away for well over 5 years. Some basic pattern matching skill should instill the idea that FSD is not actually coming anytime soon, and that it's all marketing bullshit.

Re: California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #71
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #68

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Buying FSD now is really just buying a promise that FSD will be delivered in the future. Whether Tesla will actually achieve FSD is debatable. Personally, I think they will. Yes, even with vision-only. It's going to be several more years, but I think they'll get there eventually. But what do you call it when you're selling that feature to customers today ?

who cares what they call it. if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you. i feel like half the downvoters in this chain are fighting the good fight for .00001% of tesla owners, who happen to be some of the dumbest consumers on planet earth.

> if you buy a software package thinking it's fsd in 2022 with zero research, it's on you.

I want to agree with you on this, but Tesla is very much bordering on false advertising.

Re: California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Post by culi »

chmod600 wrote: post #26
culi wrote: post #20

Before Tesla came out with autopilot, Google had done extensive user research on "autopilot" cars and found that no matter how many times you tell users that they must be fully attentive, people WILL go on their phones or stop paying attention. It's the entire reason Google didn't go to market with their technology before Tesla Then Musk came along and completely ignored the research (which he must've been really awa…

Are Teslas more lethal per mile than other cars?

Yes:

https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...

Re: California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Post by gamblor956 »

v0idzer0 wrote: post #78
gamblor956 wrote: post #49

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Yes. With 21 known fatalities in the U.S. alone, Tesla has more advanced driving system deaths than every other carmaker in the world, combined. (For the record, the combined total for every other manufacturer is 1: the Uber pedestrian fatality that doomed Uber's self-driving program.)

Okay, but entirely meaningless unless you adjust for miles driven with an advanced driving system. More people are killed with pistols than assault rifles. Are pistols more deadly?

By any adjustment Tesla leads the world in terms of fatalities related to its advanced driving system. All major automakers have released hundreds of thousands of cars with advanced driving features over the past 5 or 6 years, and Tesla is the only manufacturer worldwide to have recorded double-digit fatalities.

And that doesn't include the thousands of accidents related to Tesla's AP/FSD systems.

Tesla's advanced driving systems are objectively less safe than teenage or drunk drivers, by miles driven, and the sooner AP/FSD is banned, the better.

Re: California DMV accuses Tesla of making false claims about Autopilot and FSD

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Post by misiti3780 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #67
misiti3780 wrote: post #29

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So just so I understand, you think there are Tesla owners that think they have Full self driving because the Tesla website calls it FSD?

Spend time on a Tesla owner's Facebook group and you'll see that yes, there are definitely Tesla owners that think that. They buy a Tesla with FSD and then get upset when they find out that FSD isn't actually FSD.

I believe it - some portion of the population is just isnt intelligent. There are flat earthers, there are climate change deniers. Who cares.
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