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Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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So they're leasing ("buying"?) fiber from the same ISPs they're trying to displace and relying on that payment to provide them with continued internet access? This doesn't sound like a real first-class ISP, but something akin to an MVNO where they're at the mercy of the same companies they're competing with. I get the initial sale might seem fine, and the established ISPs might be fine with this as long as the compan…

Because it's all business to them, and if they did it overtly they could get sued. But also because once you're in a single location, you can pretty easily get multiple providers to that location for a Price, so there's really no point. Even small rural towns usually have multiple internet connections from different companies, and if they don't you can pay to run fiber if you really wanted to. People find it hard to…

To expand on that:

Comcast would much rather sell a dedicated fiber to a business with capital and guarantees.

Selling to the individual consumer doesn't make a lot of sense business-wise, because of the deployment costs and continued support costs.

Comcast is also abusing their status as oligopoly to gouge costumers financially and qos-wise, but if they're selling to a business that buys large quantities and has staff who's job it is to handle network problems, they actually like that (right up until that business threatens to compete with them in areas where said oligopoly is in place, of course)

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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post #31

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That bill and these types of projects are basically why we have 10% inflation now.

How does spending a lot of government money make goods and service more expensive? EDIT: At least here in Western Europe, we mostly have a supply side inflation, because energy got a lot more expensive, not because the government has been "printing" a lot of money. I suspect it's the same in the US.

It does not unless that money is spent competing with businesses and citizens for resources. However, in this case the money had already been earmarked for rural internet service and is not being used to purchase goods and services that citizens would be buying instead.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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post #31

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That bill and these types of projects are basically why we have 10% inflation now.

How does spending a lot of government money make goods and service more expensive? EDIT: At least here in Western Europe, we mostly have a supply side inflation, because energy got a lot more expensive, not because the government has been "printing" a lot of money. I suspect it's the same in the US.

Yes, inflation is currently a world-wide issue, and explanations at the world level lead somewhat obviously to the pandemic and Russia's invasion of the Ukraine.

But here in the USA, people like to believe it must be political and local, completely unrelated to the totally-coincidental worldwide issue that happens to be very similar.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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To say the least, it's more about siphoning public taxes

The point of taxes is to provide collective goods, such as infrastructure, defense, education. One of the first thing the US's founders did was create the postal service, which was to provide mail service to everyone, regardless of location; it literally costs the same to mail a letter across the street as to send it to some house in Whoknowswhere, Alaska. This provides a minimum communications infrastructure. One of…

I'm saying to allocate budget to maximize as much as possible the public/global interest.

Yes it's nicer to have optic fiber, but this is somewhat luxury if Starlink exists, and if the gov funds it already.

I'm sure some other people in the US need more these 30'000 USD than optic fiber to watch Netflix with a little less buffering.

Budget could be used somewhere else (to build roads, or to support medicine/health, education, animal welfare, etc).

So it's not about refusing to help rural / remote people, but rather about optimising allocation in order to support as much people as possible.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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I don't understand this sentiment. Taxes are levied to then pay for things such as infrastructure which this qualifies as. How else should this work?

You are a private person and you choose to live deep in the country-side / on a desert / on an island / remote location / deep in the forest. Who should pay for your road, your electricity, your water, your internet connection when you are the one mostly benefiting from it ? Taxes have to be used primarily with the goal to maximize public interest, not the interests of single private persons. Perhaps a Starlink conne…

5G base stations have a range on the order of 1000 feet, and need to be connected to a high-speed backbone to function.

In rural areas, a 1000 foot radius doesn't get you very many people, and since you ran fiber all the way to that antenna, you might as well run fiber the rest of the way.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served This doesn't seem very efficient to me.

It's funny because he said one of the houses needed 0.5 miles of cable. My jaw dropped when he said it would only be $30K for that. I'm speaking as someone who has had a few hundred foot trenches dug in my yard for running cable. Extrapolating it to 0.5 miles would come out to a lot more than $30K.

What's the expensive part of a new fibre run? With $30k you could hire an excavator and operator for maybe 15 to 20 weeks straight, but I'm guessing the pits are expensive and dealing with obstacles is hard.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

#97
post #42

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That's fair, maybe this family should be able to opt out of taxes that don't benefit them then, you know since they are so remote and everything.

Yes.

Further, they should be forcibly blocked from using any services they refused to pay taxes for. No highways, flood protection, low food prices, or access to the global trade network for you!

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

#98
post #51
post #42

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That's fair, maybe this family should be able to opt out of taxes that don't benefit them then, you know since they are so remote and everything.

Well it's not a stupid idea at all, that when you pay taxes, you could vote for the 3 or 4 topics that you want support in priority, and they get allocated a more budget in proportion or something like that. This could even increase support of people to pay taxes (reducing fraud) as the taxpayers would know they would be supporting projects in line with their vision and lifestyle.

I get the idea, but this is basically just admitting that our representative form of government doesn't work. Ostensibly we control our taxes already by who we vote for.

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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Inflation isn't at 10% but it seems like investing in infrastructure is a good idea. If we needed to pinch pennies we could start at the bloated military budget

Right, in the middle of war with Russia and with war with China on the horizon. Great idea.

The US aren't at war with Russia.

Sure, they're helping an ally in a De facto war against Russia, but currently the us spends more on "defense" than both Russia and China combined, when it is technically at peace. In case of a war with China, are you expecting the military budget to not increase at all?

Re: Man who built ISP instead of paying Comcast $50K expands to hundreds of homes

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> over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served This doesn't seem very efficient to me.

To say the least, it's more about siphoning public taxes

The resources of this country are to be allocated for the benefit of its citizens.

In other words, it is our money, and we can spend it on decent internet for rural areas.

Lack of internet access is disenfranchising when numerous necessary government and school services has been moved online.

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