Let’s say Apple caves and implements RCS. What happens when Google does what Google does and changes it again, it breaks, then whines because Apple won’t implement it?
“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
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#602RCS is dead. The Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative (CCMI) has given up. Google is the one still pushing for it. iMessage is simply a big Apple moat. Why would Apple give it up to enhance Google's business position?
Google wants us to pick theirs over Apple's. Also note that to my knowledge, RCS is not available in all countries.
The other funny thing is that Google complains about SMS being insecure -- all while RCS does not support end to end encryption. Google Messages added that feature recently relatively (last year? please correct me below) and I still can't understand if it's on by default or not.
Here is a random article about RCS state. Feel free to google for more: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1327240-in-the-us-rcs-text-m...
I would love a common solution, but rationally I can not blame Apple for keeping a (to me from experiencing both) superior experience that brings in customers. And Google has just managed to catch up. Google will need to make their messaging an order or two better, to the point that Apple will have to join.
P.S. Also, I am skeptical any time the phrases privacy, end-to-end encryption, and Google cohabitate the same statement.
(Edit)P.S.2. Just use https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/bluebubbles/9P3XF8KJ... in the meantime.
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#603For me another frustrating thing when using iMessage on iPhone is that I often receive spam messages from unknown contacts, which I cannot block at all.
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#604Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Apple should stick to en even older standard (SMS/MMS)? All that Google is asking is for the fallback to be at least in the current century, is that too much to ask.
Isn’t that the safest fallback, if you know they aren’t using iMessage? The other phone could be a phone that can’t accept RCS or iMessage.
Fallbacks can be layered. For a company that claims go all-out for its consumers privacy, using SMS as the default fallback in the 21st century is pretty sus.
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You don't need an Apple ID to use iMessage. Just an Apple device.
> You don't need an Apple ID to use iMessage. Just an Apple device. Has Apple fixed the bug where it wasn't relinquishing your phone number and blackholing all iMessages which were supposed to be downgraded to SMS instead?
Years ago, yes: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/
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> It’s really oppressive that Apple doesn’t let you install WhatsApp, Secret, Telegram, FB Messenger or any other communications app beyond their own. They fully control those app's access to their store; Apple has full say over which communication apps you install on your iPhone, full-stop.
You say this like it is a bad thing. I used Signal, which is an open-source messaging app. If Apple were censoring messaging apps I would agree with your seemingly negative sentiment, however, as someone who has pushed out apps to the Apple and Mac app stores, I can say they absolutely do not do that. There are many reasons many IT folks actually prefer an iPhone over Android. The two biggest ones are privacy and sec…
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#607RCS is dead. The Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative (CCMI) has given up. Google is the one still pushing for it. iMessage is simply a big Apple moat. Why would Apple give it up to enhance Google's business position? Google wants us to pick theirs over Apple's. Also note that to my knowledge, RCS is not available in all countries. The other funny thing is that Google complains about SMS being insecure -- all while RCS…
I run a phone business in Australia which is, as far as I'm aware, the only product that supports voice, txt and picture messaging on a virtual number outside of North America.
Ever since I built the product, people have been telling me SMS is obsolete and RCS is coming (4 years now). Google bought Jibe Mobile in 2015, if you go to the Jibe website and try to submit their "Get Started" form there is an error.
I have tried to get in touch with carriers to find out how to connect up RCS from my product (because hey, don't want to get behind the 8 ball) and haven't found any way to get it set up, even when asking my upstream providers.
I really don't think RCS is going anywhere, but if it is, it would be good to be able to build it into my product!
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#608Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…
iMessage spam has been through the roof for me the last couple of months. 1 or 2 messages a day with no obvious reporting mechanism. Whatever Apple is doing, it’s not working and it’s disingenuous to claim this is the reason iMessage isn’t on Android.
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Not end to end encrypted lol
I'll have you know all of my texts are encrypted with GPG. 90% of my time is spent copying and pastingl...help me.
True cypherpunks encrypt their messages by hand using a one-time pad.
Not having any friends makes this less of a burden than you might think.
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Nope, you can just click skip. If the device had previously been enrolled in Find My iPhone you have to log back in to turn it off, but if it’s fresh out of the box you don’t have to hook it to iCloud/iTunes at all (and that’s not uncommon to block in corporate environments).
Not on my end, no skip button.
Not sure what device you’re on but every iphone I’ve set up I’ve (at least initially) skipped signing in. It’s not hidden or subtle or anything (especially compared to latest windows OS), it’s a big Skip link. The main downside is you can’t install any apps, and in my experience iMessage does NOT work until you log in with apple ID, just SMS/MMS.