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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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If you're 100% sure it's iMessage and not SMS, report it to Apple. They can ban that account.

They’ll ban the entire device used to send it, not just the one account. But see also elsethread “wait, how do I know this was delivered over iMessage”, since MMS allows the From field to be an email address.

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…

> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. It’s really oppressive that Apple doesn’t let you install WhatsApp, Secret, Telegram, FB Messenger or any other communications app beyond their own. While it’s all sweetness and li…

> It’s really oppressive that Apple doesn’t let you install WhatsApp, Secret, Telegram, FB Messenger or any other communications app beyond their own.

They fully control those app's access to their store; Apple has full say over which communication apps you install on your iPhone, full-stop.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Ah yes, whatsapp, that bastion of privacy, and not at all a messaging service that exists primarily for Meta to mine. If everyone was on Signal, sure, but if everyone's on Whatsapp, maybe not the kind of thing to go "why don't you just do this too, why are North Americans so backward?" for something owned by what is basically still just Facebook.

Oh yes, let’s ignore the fact that whatsapp has end to end encryption

That doesn't mean a whole lot.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?

It's not the same shade of green, IIRC it's been changed 2 or 3 times, each iteration having lower contrast with the text color.

In addition to that, iMessage in iOS 5 and 6 did NOT use white for text. Black letters were used instead.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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I agree that Apple is annoying about this, but it's silly for Android (.com?) to complain that texting _in general_ is broken because of Apple. They've got clearly the larger market share worldwide, and wherever Android is more popular, people are on WhatsApp instead of SMS anyway.

Even a group chat purely between US Android users tends to be carried out on Facebook Messenger, not SMS, I guess cause SMS sucks even on Android.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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I and a ton of other kids switched to iphones in HS purely because of imessage. Google knows how big a lock-in factor it is. the wsj article from a while ago is actually the truth: group chats are terrible, mms just doesn't work, etc. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...

Maybe deep down, a lot of people on HN did too but won't admit it. Not calling anyone out, but I know how the crowd around here values 'networking' and the vanity associated with it.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

This is a lawyer excuse. I've had Signal for years and the number of spam messages I've received over it is none. It's not a real problem. SMS on the other hand... but iPhones receive SMS too, don't they?

I get like two spam SMS a year. And my SMS app always properly flags them as being spam/scams. This really is such a terrible excuse.

It's also ignoring the root issue. Adding RCS to iMessages doesn't affect the spam. You'll still get it from both SMS and RCS.

Apple not adding RCS is 100% due to keeping market share.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?

It's not the same shade of green, IIRC it's been changed 2 or 3 times, each iteration having lower contrast with the text color.

It used to be black text on a green background with a bevel to make the text bubble look like it has depth. I'm probably in the minority but I still don't like the modern high contrast flat material design of everything.
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