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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by hgsgm »

Angostura wrote: post #160
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by 015a »

nemothekid wrote: post #121
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?

In a product development org, refusing to prioritize something is identical to deprioritizing it.

@Time0 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Y

@Time1 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Z, Priority3=Y

Across this timeframe, Y's priority was lowered from P2 to P3, because the org intentionally decided to make Z a higher priority.

One could argue that improving this experience was never in their priority list; but as long as product leaders in the org knew about it; its the same thing. Letting something linger in the backlog, and intentionally deciding to never add it to the backlog in the first place, are identical.

I don't know about "maleficence", but intentional: Yes. Cognizant inaction conveys intentionality.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

This is a lawyer excuse. I've had Signal for years and the number of spam messages I've received over it is none. It's not a real problem.

SMS on the other hand... but iPhones receive SMS too, don't they?

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by brokencode »

Angostura wrote: post #160
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

If you read the article, you’d know that there are actually multiple functional issues due to Apple insisting on SMS/MMS.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by tantalor »

dymk wrote: post #149
blinkingled wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So every sent message looks white on bright green or just the ones sent over SMS/MMS (I.e. to Android users)?

Messages sent via SMS/MMS are green, messages sent via iMessage are blue. If you send a message via SMS/MMS to an iPhone user, it's green. There is no detection if the user on the other end is an Android user.

So it's a default.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by dfabulich »

nomel wrote: post #129
blinkingled wrote: post #107

> iPhones make texts with Android phones difficult to read, by using white text on a bright green background. Wow. I can't really come up with anything creative to blame Google for this one. Whatever you want to say about Google's messaging mess and RCS - Apple seems to go out of their way to make it inconvenient to text with Android users. Also it doesn't sound like Google's asking Apple to give up iMessage - just t…

The green used on the website is significantly brighter than on an iPhone. In fact, on the iPhone, I would say the green gives better contrast than the white text on a blue background. For direct messages, the colored bubbles are only used on messages you send. Messages received are always white text on black background (dark mode) or black text on grey background (light mode). edit: my bad. "increase contrast" optio…

I just took screenshots of an Android green text bubble and the https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ site, and used Photoshop's eyedropper tool to compare colors. They're the exact same shade of green, #48dd8f.

But it's not just you! The green on Google's site looks visually brighter because the entire bubble is on a blue background. On iPhone, the green is normally on a white background.

Now, try setting your iPhone to Dark Mode in Settings, and you'll find that the green bubbles are still #48dd8f green and the text is still #ffffff pure white; it's harder to read on a black background, IMO.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by malermeister »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #94
rhacker wrote: post #92

Apple connect to our messaging platform voice, i mean messages i mean allo i mean duo i mean hangouts i mean...

Funny thing is the EU doesn't give a fuck and is going to force them.

Yeah this is gonna happen soon anyways. Not because of some Google website, but because of the Digital Markets Act.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by y2bd »

chrisoverzero wrote: post #166
phinnaeus wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember, the color of the bubbles only changes for messages YOU send, not messages you receive. Received messages are always black on grey.

> Received messages are always black on grey. What on Earth are you talking about?

You only see the colors on messages you send. OP is implying that you wouldn’t know what “color” the conversation is unless you’re actively replying to the spammer.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by joes_hk »

dcormier wrote: post #169
Angostura wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most trivial complaint I've ever read. I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles - it just means that it hasn't been sent via iMessage - if I send to an iPhone and sending falls back to SMS it looks just the same. I can't believe people get that upset about green v blue.

That’s very ableist of you. About 1 in 12 males are colorblind. I’m in this group. I find white text on a bright green background very difficult to read.

So making the bubble blue instead of green without changing the protocol would be already ok for you? How do you cope with this right now, do you and your social group use alternatives to iMessage like signal or telegram?
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