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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That API is not useful for anti-spam purposes, as individual devices cannot be banned for spamming by their serial number. Quoting that page: > The API is not designed to fulfill the following use cases: > Contain signals for app-specific use-cases, such as device identifiers

That can be built trivially using this API. The app stores an identifier, which it knows has not been tampered with because of attestation. Giving apps access to a unique device identifier shared across apps is a privacy leak but can be obtained with the proper scary permission.

> Giving apps access to a unique device identifier shared across apps is a privacy leak

Correct: 'Non-heuristic antispam' and 'Private device identifiers' are incompatible requirements, unless you introduce another expensive obstacle to overcome. Spamming depends on cheap/free sock puppet accounts. The cost per account is inversely proportional to the value it holds to spammers. That cost can be in Apple's iMessage terms: $100+ per serial number, all devices must include burned-in serial number attestation in their server communications. Or that cost can be in bureaucracy: $10 per notarized "account signup request with verified citizenship", but now all communications can be associated with the notary's logs of your citizenship ID number.

There is no way to stop spam without incurring one or another cost to each user. Apple's method doesn't care who you are, so long as you possess Apple hardware. The Pluton method wouldn't either. What other methods exist that are unconcerned with the exact identity of the user, but still make spamming unprofitable?

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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This is pretty disingenuous I think. Other than Android who is using RCS? Why can't I message between WhatsApp and an RCS client. Or any other chat technology, how about Google Chat to RCS, or Slack to RCS, or anything else. Their examples for 'the modern standard adopted by most of the mobile world': Motorola, OnePlus, Google Pixel, Samsung, Snapdragon are all providers of Android phones, so clearly they would use t…

> Other than Android who is using RCS? Don't forget Android has over 80% world-wide market share.

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Feels like sort of a non issue, even the bottom of the page pushes people to apps like Whatsapp/Signal. If Google wants better iPhone messaging - can’t it just ship its solution in the App Store? Not really sure why Apple must update iMessage for Google to get what it wants. I personally love iMessage and use it and Signal primarily - I don’t like the idea of Google dictating its feature set, especially considering i…

No, Google isn't trying to ship another messaging app. It's trying to improve the interoperability of Android and iPhone when using phone number texting. Your experience in iMessage when texting with an Android user would be improved.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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This is pretty disingenuous I think. Other than Android who is using RCS? Why can't I message between WhatsApp and an RCS client. Or any other chat technology, how about Google Chat to RCS, or Slack to RCS, or anything else. Their examples for 'the modern standard adopted by most of the mobile world': Motorola, OnePlus, Google Pixel, Samsung, Snapdragon are all providers of Android phones, so clearly they would use t…

A lot of Android handset manufacturers do not in fact leave the default X in place for most X.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Who uses sms anymore these days? I tried to go back to a non-smart phone, but it was impossible due to not having whatsapp. That might be a 'local' thing though, not sure. Anyway, they should just release imessage for android; that would piss off meta too, which is a win in my book ;)

It's the only texting solution you can be sure to know works if you just have a phone number. So in these situations, it is the best choice.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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I haven't called a "normal" phone call or used SMS/MMS in many many years. Everyone I know (or care about rather) uses Telegram, and it's been great for us all.

that's terrific, but if telegram were the universal standard used for 95%+ of messaging then Google wouldn't bother with this effort.
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